Allen West's presentation August 8, 2008 to the Pecos Archeological Conference at the University of Northern Arizona's Cline Library Auditorium

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Panel Discussion #1 Clovis Comet

Pecos Archeological Conference
Saturday, August 9, 8:00 am to 10:00 am

Comet Theory, End of Clovis and the Black Mat
Chair: Dr. Christian E. Downum, Northern Arizona University
Guests: Mark Boslough, Sandia National Laboratories, Carolyn Shoemaker, Co-Discovered of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 that crashed into Jupiter in 1994, John McCone, Planetary Geologist Arizona State, Allen West, GeoSciences Corporation, Ted Bunch, former chief Exobiology, NASA
- Context of the Clovis Comet impact in Southwestern archeology
- Importance of C. Vance Haynes paper in PNAS concerning the Black Mat termination boundary
- Quotes Haynes in PNAS "However, I reiterate, something major happened 10,900 before present we have yet to understand" concerning the purported comet impact
- nervous laughter directed at the evidence of demise of mammoth at the Black Mat m name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/z6enq_5MkjQ&hl=en&fs=1">

Panel Discussion #2 Clovis Comet

- "Extraordinary find" in Archeology, event came in an instant
- End of Intro
- Microphone goes to Allen West, a lead author of the theory
- Eloise, one of the last NA mammoths, is pried from the Black Mat
- Bones mildly radioactive
- Magnetic spherules can be found with neodymium magnets in the same strata
- Tens of millions of animals disappear and dozens of species go extinct at Black Mat
- No Clovis points above the Black mat
- Lonsdelite diamonds found at three sites
- Mic goes to Ted Bunch, former Chief, NASA, Exobiology, at conclusion

Panel Discussion #3 Clovis Comet

- Ted Bunch stresses suddenness of event and the abundant physical evidence
- Recalls that crater research was historically greeted with skepticism
- Mrs. Shoemaker's late husband Gene's key role is recalled
- Describes the event broadly, ice rafting and fresh water into Atlantic
- Draws analogy to discovery of KT event
- Suggests aerial bursts that struck ground over Laurentide Ice Sheet
- Diamonds found all across North American
- Quenched artifacts of extreme cosmic conditions
- Diamond association confirms other evidence as inescapably ET
- 8:00 mins Mic goes to Mark Boslough of Sandia Laboratory and asteroid impact modeler
- thought idea was crazy because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
- No doubt great climate changes have occured
- Cites recent Copenhagen study as refuting the evidence

Panel Discussion #4 Clovis Comet

- Boslough cites 14,700 years ago climate shift as just as dramatic
- rearrangement of circulation occurs then as well
- YD conclusion "just as abrupt" as YD
- Recites diagnostic evidence of impact
- Original reason for skepticism: Size that is claimed
- Too rare to have happened
- Implausibility of scenario main reason of skepticism

- 3:16 Carolyn Shoemaker takes mic
- Recalls and dismisses the idea out of hand as being unrealistic
- Impact is too fashionable to have occurred
- People become confused by circular craters
- She investigates Tunguska
- Describes Tunguska
- Not convinced "any markers are totally diagnostic"
- Younger Dryas and end-Pleistocene not a mass extinction, people lived, sea life not ended
- Can a comet do this?
- Seems to her like a comet would go through the atmosphere and ice, can't see why not
- Should have a crater
- Large comets, for the most part, have not come close to earth in human history
- Trouble with diamonds
- Trouble with carbon spherules
- All could be found in ordinary situations

- Turns over to John McHone at 8:47
- Tells story

Panel Discussion #5 Clovis Comet

- Took a day to dismiss a crater as non-ET in Columbia in the 60's
- In order to judge these things one needs experience
- 2:50 Saw published abstracts from AGU Acapulco and first thought was," these guys are wacko!"
- Takes gratuitous shot at Carolina bay theory
- Accuses proponents of grasping for straws
- Dismissed but revisited
- As more and more formal info comes out, he doesn't understand
- Says micro diamonds are useless, has questions
- Closer, longer, look needed
- Claims ignorance of the components of comets
- Has worked with Ted Bunch
- Anthro and Archeo experience is limited
- Cracks joke
- Happy to be here
- Not sold
- Iron spherules more common than proposed
- Attended last night's talk

Panel Discussion #6 Clovis Comet

- Went back and looked at popular literature
- Suggests hype
- Demands info on processing the materials

- 1:30 Allen West takes mic
- Takes issue with exclusion of Tunguska-like multi bursts
- Cant argue, as Boslough,
- Repeats extensive evidence as exhaustively provided in published info
- Reference to previous evenings program
- Stresses again the extraordinary uniqueness of evidence in stratigraphical record
- Shift needed from classical view "big rock in crater" to modern view "that it hit the air -- instead of the earth"

- 5:40 Bunch takes mic
- Bunch -- older than dirt -- and helped develop shock quartz criteria
- KT, like the YD, has same pattern we see here
- Worked with Alvarez, et. al.
- Analogy to KT
- 34% of KT did not have shock indicators
- shock diamonds and melted particles found

Panel Discussion #7 Clovis Comet

Panel Discussion #8 Clovis Comet

- Questions West where radioactivity comes into play
- Carolyn Shoemaker salutes West's fine presentation from the night before
- Ask for more substantiation bf "we can truly accept this idea is an impact"
- Suggest fragments of comet seem too large
- If happened would need to be an airburst with dramatic effects, not certain if those claimed are appropriate
- Will not dismiss airburst out of hand

- 4:47 Boslough takes mic
- Boslough has number of things he like to say
- His panel side are skeptics not cynics
- Not judgmental, just Sagan-like careful
- Notes that David Morrison understands statistical probability
- Accepts that probability is not determined by observation
- Card play analogy
- Knows that abrupt climate change is common
- 4-5 kilometer object breaking into a thousand of objects
- Each one 400-500 meters in diameter
- Objects of that size would produce ground impacts

Panel Discussion #9 Clovis Comet

- Boslough's main argument against the theory: It is too improbable
- Bunch offers the story of Harold Eury, Noble, of the two origins of moon -- both impossible -- therefore the moon does not exist.
- Q: Notes the frequency of 500 year floods in lesser time spans
- What is proposed to have melted the ice?
- West: Leaving Ice Age already, well documented uniqueness of break-up and freshwater incursion of YD event.
- Well documented evidence of dramatic sudden changes North AmericanAtlantic hydrology
- Lots of reason of climate changes, most are GS conveyor related, leads to cold
- Here is where sudden failure occurs and we find in the cores: Iridium, diamonds, carbon spherules, magnetic spherules exactly where the dam fails and YD begins
- Q: Ask why can some panel ignore Tunguska?
- A: West describes angle of entry physics and equal probability of entry
- POWER DIES FOR A MOMENT
- P. Schultz at NASA Ames blew hole into ice and left sand untouched, two miles of ice would surely do the same.

Panel Discussion #10 Clovis Comet

- Boslough says impact is more probable at 45 degrees.
- Says theory has multiplying improbabilities of 10X, improbably large, improbably broken, improbably a comet, improbable angle
- Likens it too pulling 5 aces
- Describes range of angles and ground effects
- Q: Need to hear from bio and eco side of questions
- West notes difficulty of locating actual bones of the big day
- West notes loss of grasslands and starvation did in beasts
- Loss of water for just few days may have been critical, especially to grazers
- applause -- Moderator stresses importance of issue

Pecos Archeological Conference evidence of the Clovis Comet extinction

Clovis Comet (Bunch) #1

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Ted Bunch, former NASA Chief of Exobiology, gives a presentation on the impact dynamics of the Clovis Comet

Stone Age comet destroys North America

The Younger Dryas Impact Event, postulated here by researchers Ted Bunch, Richard Firestone and Ken Tankersley, may have led to the extinction of large mammals, such as mammoths, saber tooth cats, and 33 other species of large mammal 12,900 in the past. Perhaps more disturbing is the effect the event had on the first inhibitants of America, the so-called Clovis people. The Clovis culture disappears at the same time the animals do. This short excerpt provides some background on this cosmic incident and the evidence supporting it.