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Signs Supplement - Meteors, Asteroids, Comets, and NEOs March - November 2002 Since March 27, 2002 to the present day, the Signs of the Times has been paying attention to news reports regarding meteors, asteroids, comets and near earth objects and bringing them to the attention of our readers. We decided to compile all the reports in chronological order into a series of documents so that the concerned reader can see just how interested, or uninterested, the media is in such topics. We hope that they serve to answer the question that hardly anyone is asking: "Is their any danger from near earth objects?" We have included our original comments, C's transcripts, photos and links to our reports on this vital subject. Laura's book Ancient Science also discusses this subject in depth. We have also recently added an update on the possibility that we may be already entering a swarm of comets that may batter the Earth repeatedly in the next few years. See Laura's article Independence Day for more. Some of the older links to news sites may be dead since some regularly scrub their sites or move the articles to pay for view archives. The original document may still be available however via www.archive.org. Whatever the case, you can rest assured that ALL of the reports in these documents are factual insofar as they were reported and recognised as such by the mainstream media. Each page covers a period of a few months (as specified at the top of each page) beginning with this page which chronicles the events from March - November 2002. Happy reading. Impact Cratering on Earth It must be remembered that impact is a random process not only in space but also in time. The next large impact with the Earth could be an "impact-winter"-producing event or even a K-T-sized event. To emphasize this point, in March 1989 an asteroidal body named 1989 FC passed within 700,000 km of the Earth. This Earth-crossing body was not discovered until it had passed the Earth. It is estimated to be in the 0.5 km size-range, capable of producing a Zhamanshin-sized crater or a devastating tsunami. Although 700,000 km is a considerable distance, it translates to a miss of the Earth by only a few hours, when orbital velocities are considered. At present, no systems or procedures are in place, specifically for mitigating the effects of an impact. Global Cometary/Asteriod Impact Strikes map The Day the Sands Caught Fire Cometary impact craters in Saudi Arabia
Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations
Found Asteroid Buzzes Earth and Nobody notices...(New Scientist) One of the largest asteroids known to have approached the Earth zipped past about 450,000 kilometres away on March 8 - but nobody recorded it until four days later. Supernova linked to one mass extinction (New Scientist)- smoking gun evidence. NASA discusses Asteroid and Comet Impact Hazards Global Warming and Earth Changes Brown dwarf is orbiting a star called 15 Sagittae BBC (Sge), which is about one to three billion years old, making it slightly younger than our Sun. It is located approximately 58 light-years from Earth. It is separated from its parent star by less than the distance that separates the planet Uranus from the Sun. This makes it the smallest-separation brown-dwarf companion yet seen directly.
Cosmic Catastrophe a Certainty -(BBC)
According to Dr Arnon Dar, of the Technion Space Research
Institute, Israel, a particular type of exploding star going off
anywhere in our region of the Universe would devastate our planet.
[...] Dr Dar points out that many of the great extinctions that
regularly punctuate the Earth's history are consistent with being
caused by a devastating influx of radiation from space. He then
adds: "Direct proof that it happened this way is lacking at
present," he said, "but many people are looking for it."
Social Scientists Prepare for Asteroid Impacts
(Space.com) On Friday, April 12, 2002, a
handful of leading social scientists will gather for the first
international workshop on the societal impact of a large asteroid
or comet colliding with Earth. Held in conjunction with the annual
meeting of the Western Psychological Association in Irvine,
California, this full-day session on Managing Global-Scale
Disasters will help psychologists, sociologists, and management
specialists play catch-up in an area that has gotten increasing
attention in the physical sciences in recent years.
Evidence Found for New Form of Ultra Dense
Matter (Space.com) The [...] object,
called 3C-58, became a new star in the sky in the year 1181, when
it exploded. Mysterious High Energy Bursts Linked to Supernovae (Space.com) A third of a tonne of extraterrestrial bacteria (New Scientist) could be raining down on Earth every day. U.S. Summons Experts to Draft Asteroid Defense Plan - (National Geographic)The U.S. federal government is summoning the world's top scientists to an urgent conference this summer to plan defenses against an attack that could wipe out an American city or disrupt the whole country's infrastructure. [...] While the world's attention is focused on the real threat of terrorism, the theoretical asteroid menace has been garnering a surprising amount of behind-the-scenes attention. [Why are we not surprised. See: Cometary Showers, Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? (On site link)] Go to Earthweek for a weekly diary of our planet. Today, mass extinction from cometary impact is considered mainstream science, supported by a huge body of physical evidence. In Donnelly's time it was unknown that cometary or asteroid impacts had even occurred on this planet. ...this event destroyed a civilization which had high technology, a civilization which vanished completely except for some myths; the disaster was accompanied by catastrophic fire followed by years-long cloud cover and extreme cold. Humanity survived only by hiding in deep caves; when they re-emerged they had to restart civilization from scratch. ...The book When the Earth Nearly Died by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair [1995] (reissued as Cataclysm: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C.), brought together a mass of evidence that a catastrophic impact of extrasolar material occurred in 9,500 B.C. Comet vanishing act puzzles scientist (CNN) Space rock's close approach (BBC) on 14 June, an asteroid the size of a football pitch [field] made one of the closest ever recorded approaches to the Earth. It is only the sixth time an asteroid has been seen to penetrate the Moon's orbit, and this is by far the biggest rock to do so. What has worried some astronomers, though, is that the space object was only detected on 17 June, several days after its flyby. Asteroids Hold Clues to Saving Earth - (Discovery) Now, just who thinks that Earth needs saving from asteroids? Somebody who knows something they aren't telling the rest of us? Also see: Asteroid Tsunamis Could be Huge, Slow (Discovery) Astronomers hail planetary discovery (BBC) Fossils point to asteroid causing dinosaurs' demise (New Scientist) Big asteroid to be close enough for binoculars - (CNN) The space rock, 2002 NY40, is not to be mistaken for 2002 NT7, another newly discovered asteroid that generated headlines last month when scientists briefly mused that it would smack into our planet in 2019. One Asteroid Can Ruin Your Day - (Wired News)The more likely threat from collisions with asteroids and comets comes not from chunks of space rock the size of Texas, as in the movie Armageddon, but rather from objects mere tenths of a mile across, which are harder to find and track. Our world is being bombarded -- (Wired News) by reports of asteroids coming oh-so-close to crashing into Earth. - "Big asteroids have hit Earth before and it's only a matter of time before one threatens us again. Will it be years, decades, millions of years? No one knows," read a recent NASA press release. Strange crater found under the sea (MSNBC) Space rock 'on collision course' (BBC) The Reader who sent this one in remarked: "This is a very interesting article -- the "first ever" object to have a positive value for it's rating as potential of impact, *but* "...the error in our knowledge of where NT7 will be on 1 February, 2019, is large, several tens of millions of kilometres..." More slow release of stuff to "acclimatize" folks? Anyway, it's down to 2019 now... How long before it's 2012? ;-) Asteroid Impact Set Off Hiroshima- Sized Air Blast On June 6 - (Rense) Early Warning Center For Asteroids Needed Says USAF - The reader who sent this in commented: "I don't recall ever seeing so many asteroid/comet items in the *mainstream* press before, almost on a daily basis at times it seems, which can only mean that something is afoot..." Indeed, see our articles: The Future of the Beast Empire and Has Nibiru/Planet X Been Sighted? Mystery dust postpones comet probe launch (CNN) Comets: A key to a parallel universe - (The Independent) Comets may be composed of matter hitherto unknown to science, according to a physicist in Australia. If he's right, we may at last have found the identity of the mysterious "dark matter" believed to make up at least 90 per cent of the mass of the universe. What's more, it could mean there is another universe occupying our own, complete with invisible stars, planets and even life. An asteroid about a half mile (800 meters) across (CNN)will pass close enough to Earth this weekend to observe with a small telescope or binoculars, astronomers said. - Another one, NY40, later this month will glide to within 330,000 miles (530,000 km) from Earth, slightly farther than the distance of the moon. Some scientists have suggested nuclear bombs to deflect a big comet (CNN) or asteroid from a collision course with our planet. One researcher has a more novel solution: a giant air bag. - An atomic detonation would do little to stop some types of asteroids - computer simulations indicate that such a blast could split an incoming asteroid or comet into more fragments that remain on a collision course. - The mathematician proposes that a spacecraft could approach the object and inflate a bag several kilometers wide using a chemical reaction to make gas. The probe would then push the bag against the incoming asteroid or comet. The bag would distribute pressure evenly and nudge the object away without fragmenting it, Burchard suggested. Comment: Why is this subject an item of such intense, repeating interest? Hmmmm??? Does it tie into the Bush Regime agenda?
A space rock big enough to cause widespread damage and death (CNN) will hit the Earth only about once every 1,000 years, but experts say the destruction would be so extreme that nations should develop a joint defense against asteroids. - Such a rock, estimated at 180 feet across, scorched through the atmosphere over Tunguska in Siberia in 1908 and flattened trees across 800 square miles of forest land. No crater was found and experts believe the damage came from atmospheric shock. The United States spends between $3.5 million and $4 million a year to track asteroids and comets (CNN) that might hit Earth at some point, but little on strategies to get our planet out of the way, said astronomer Don Yeomans of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Boulder-Size Meteor Almost Struck Australia? - (Reuters) Residents of Goolwa and Victor Harbour, south of the state capital Adelaide, inundated police with reports of a flash of blue light, smoke trails and two sonic booms. Bryan Boyle of the Anglo-Australian space-watching telescope in the eastern state of New South Wales told the Australian Broadcasting Corp that the sightings suggested the object was a meteor which came within 19 miles of the ground. Astronomers on Friday were investigating (CNN) reports from southern Australia of a bright blue flash and loud booms. One said it probably was a comet, while another suggested it was debris from a space mission.
An object recently detected in a chaotic Earth
orbit (CNN) is possibly a section from one the largest
rockets ever built, a NASA monster taller than a football field
that carried men to the moon, scientists said. - There was one
caveat. Chodas, a research scientist with the space agency's Near
Earth Program Office in California, which monitors potentially
hazardous space boulders, noted that the object "could not be
associated with any recent launch." - Dubbed J002E3, the enigma
could be the third-stage of a Saturn V rocket, which took Apollo
astronauts to the moon from 1969 to 1972, Chodas said. If so, why
did the big scrap of metal remain undetected for so long? It
probably escaped Earth's gravitational influence for years,
according to NASA. BBC: New 'moon' found around Earth - An amateur astronomer may have found another moon of the Earth. Experts say it may have only just arrived. Much uncertainty surrounds the mysterious object, designated J002E2. It could be a passing chunk of rock captured by the Earth's gravity, or it could be a discarded rocket casing coming back to our region of space. - It was discovered by Bill Yeung from his observatory in Arizona and reported as a passing Near-Earth Object. It was soon realised however that far from passing us it was in a 50-day orbit around the Earth. Paul Chodas of Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California says it must have just arrived or it would have been easily detected long ago. Calculations suggest it may have been captured earlier this year. Something odd is circling our planet. (NASA) It's small, perhaps only 60-ft long, and rotates once every minute or so. Bill Yeung, an amateur astronomer in California, first spotted the 16th magnitude speck of light on Sept. 3rd in the constellation Pisces. He named it J002E3. (Picture available at the link above.) Occasional killer asteroids (CNN) could have spawned temporary rings of debris around Earth and played a major role in changing the world climate, according to U.S. scientists. The first known object to be captured in Earth orbit (CNN) probably will escape the gravitational clutches of the planet sometime next year, according to NASA scientists. The mysterious rambler, a suspected space rock later identified as leftover junk from a manned moon mission, began orbiting Earth in April but probably will go into an orbit around the sun in June, said Paul Chodas of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program, which monitors nearby space objects. Scientists looked for a legendary group of asteroids(CNN) that might circle the sun closer than Mercury. - The innermost region of the solar system has been the subject of considerable debate since the late 19th Century, when many astronomers concluded that perturbations in Mercury's orbit must be caused by a hidden planet, dubbed "Vulcan" after the Roman god of fire and metallurgy. Another Meteor Spotted Monday Night - A fireball shot through the Colorado sky Monday evening for the second consecutive night at nearly the same time. - The Cloudbait Observatory Web site reports that the Rocky Mountain region "has experienced a very unusual burst of fireball activity." - The observatory received a total of 560 reports of Sunday night's fireball from seven states. - Preliminary analysis of witness reports suggests the Sunday fireball was a meteor that may have exploded 10 to 20 miles above eastern Utah or western Colorado, said Peterson, a member of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science meteorite investigation team. A burning object seen streaking across West Midlands UK skies on Sunday morning may have been a meteor, astronomers have said. Its passage was followed by a bright flash which lit up the sky. - It has been an eventful period for the West Midlands in nature terms, with the region shaken by an earth tremor on 23 September. Comment: A member of our research team points out that things are getting just a BIT weird.... Have a look at the following: Thursday, 12 September 2002 - Meteor 'boom' shakes South Coast Friday, 13 September 2002 - falling meteorite Friday night -Colorado, Wyoming or Nebraska Wednesday 18 September 2002 - A suspected meteorite crashed in a ball of fire in Sri Lanka, burning down trees and scattering particles over a celebrated giant rock, officials and scientists said yesterday. Thursday 03 October 2002- Large Meteorite Falls on the Irkutsk Region -Residents of the town of Bodaibo in the Irkutsk region witnessed the fall of a large celestial body. Scientists suggest that it might have been a meteorite. This was reported by the regional department of the Russian EMERCOM. They added that they received the information from the Institute of Solar and Earth Physics of the Siberian division of the Russian Academy of Sciences. And now another one on October 6? And then this?
August 24, 2002 Something Wicked This Way Comes! See also: Comments on the P3nt4gon Str!ke Comets heralded the Coming of the Cassiopaeans: From Amazing Grace:
See Also: Cometary Showers: Four Horsement of the Apocalypse? (on site link) Astronomers have fashioned an Earth-sized virtual radio telescope (CNN) that can distinguish celestial features 3,000 times smaller than the those observed by the Hubble Space Telescope. Large Meteorite Falls on the Irkutsk Region (Pravda) -Residents of the town of Bodaibo in the Irkutsk region witnessed the fall of a large celestial body. Scientists suggest that it might have been a meteorite. This was reported by the regional department of the Russian EMERCOM. They added that they received the information from the Institute of Solar and Earth Physics of the Siberian division of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists - (space.com) Voyager found dark material rising above Triton, indicating possible eruptive activity. - "There could be more massive activity on Pluto, since the changes observed in Pluto's atmosphere are much more severe," Elliot said. "The change observed on Triton was subtle. Pluto's changes are not subtle." - We just don't know what is causing these effects."Comment: Something Wicked This Way Comes... and it isn't Planet X. In 1987, a naked-eye supernova erupted in the Large Magellanic Cloud, (space.com) a satellite galaxy of our Milky Way. Unfortunately, at a distance of 190,000 light years, that supernova appeared no brighter to us than a fourth magnitude star. But during the past thousand years, there have been four recorded supernova in our own galaxy that were truly dazzling to the eye. There is a record of a brilliant supernova that appeared in the year 1006 in the constellation of Lupus, the Wolf. That explosion may have even rivaled the one that would appear in 1054. Another supernova in 1572 flared out in Cassiopeia, the Queen, and was extensively observed by the Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe. Yet another appeared in the year 1604, this time in the constellation of Ophiuchus, the Serpent Holder. Unfortunately, the appearance of this final supernova occurred just several years before the invention of the telescope. No other such dazzlers have appeared in our sky since. One has to believe that we are long overdue for another, that some night soon a new star will suddenly appear in the sky. Perhaps tonight will be that night. The U.S. Department of Defense has confirmed an apparent space rock (space.com) that lit a fire in the night sky above a remote region of Siberia last month. Meanwhile, scientists struggle to pin down whether or not the object slammed into the planet. - Failing to properly identify a cosmic object as it slams into the planet could result in an unnecessary nuclear exchange, some military and asteroid analysts warn. Evidence for an actual impact near Bodaibo has not been verified by scientists. - "Unfortunately, at present we do not know exactly what happen there," said Michael Nazarov of the Laboratory of Meteoritics Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical Chemistry. "The Bodaibo [seismic] station recorded a signal which cannot be easily interpreted." Other seismic recorders farther from the event recorded nothing, indicating that if the rock did survive its heated plunge through the atmosphere to hit the ground, the impact was relatively small. NASA eyes lasers to divert asteroids -(UPI) Although there is only a remote chance an asteroid will strike Earth in the near future, the spectacular crash of the Shoemaker-Levy comet into the planet Jupiter in 1993 and a razor-thin miss between an asteroid and Earth only last year have sharpened attention on work NASA has been doing to prevent impacts and their devastating results. Even a small asteroid or comet only about 100 meters across could cause tremendous damage. An asteroid of that size flattened 2,000 square miles of forest in Siberia in 1908. Though there is only a 1-in-250,000 chance of impact, an asteroid roughly 1.2 kilometer across -- big enough to destroy a continent on impact -- is expected to pass near Earth on Feb. 1, 2019.
Big red fireball awes Winnipeg driver,
(canada.com) spectacle likely comet chunk or debris. Stanley Sladek
said he could not believe his eyes when a big red fireball moved
across the night sky as he was driving down a city street with his
girlfriend early Saturday morning. "It would be hard to believe if
someone was telling me this, but that's what we saw," he said.
Sladek described the fireball as dark pink on the outside and a
lighter colour toward the centre. "The people that were beside us,
they honked their horn just for a sec to get our attention, and
they were doing hand gestures." The fireball appeared to be
travelling toward the southeast before it dropped an egg-shaped
white light, broke in two and faded away shortly after 1 a.m.,
Sladek said. "An airplane would not move that fast." Astronomer and
UFO expert Chris Rutkowski said the fireball was probably a chunk
of comet or satellite debris burning up as it entered the Earth's
atmosphere.
Earth's little brother
found? - (BBC) Astronomers have discovered the first object ever
that is in a companion orbit to the Earth. Asteroid 2002 AA29 is
only about 100 metres wide and never comes closer than 3.6 million
miles to our planet. But it shares the Earth's orbit around the
Sun, at first on one side of the Earth and then escaping to travel
along our planet's path around the Sun until it encounters the
Earth from the other side. Then it goes back again.
Does the Sun have a doomsday twin? -(The Telegraph) In 1846, researchers noticed that Uranus was wobbling in a way that confounded Newton's Law of Motion. This meant they had two options: rewrite the most time-honoured of the laws of physics, or "invent" a new planet to account for the extra gravitational pull. Compared to Newton's reputation, an eighth planet seemed much less massive and Neptune was discovered. Today scientists working in the University of Louisiana have discovered a statistical anomaly of similar proportions. Professors John Matese, Patrick Whitman and Daniel Whitmire have studied the orbits of comets for 20 years, and their recent findings have led to startling theories. - Intrigued by the work of two palaeontologists working for the University of Chicago, Prof Whitmire, along with Nasa colleague Dr Al Jackson, had earlier attempted to explain the amazing discovery that six apocalyptic events, including the extinction of the dinosaurs, have all occurred, like clockwork, every 26 to 30 million years. To try to explain this mass extinction cycle, they looked to the possibility that comet showers were to blame. The latest effort of Matese, Whitman and Whitmire studies 82 comets from the huge cloud of comets, called the Oort cloud, that exists around our solar system. They took the aphelia of these comets, the points on their orbit that are farthest from our Sun, and plotted them on a globe. Expecting to find an even distribution, they instead found that a particular band of sky, about one sixth the total, contained more than one quarter of all the comets, and that about 25 per cent of the comets coming from this cloud have anomalous paths. So what was affecting the orbits? They went on to theorise that the best explanation is the existence of a previously unknown body - that our solar system is made up of the Sun and a shadowy partner, either a brown dwarf or a massive planet, in a wide binary system. In effect, the solar system had two stars, the Sun and a dark companion, spinning around each other. - Now I know what you're thinking Surely I'd have noticed a second Sun in the sky? But, as Prof Whitmire explained, the process of assumption based on statistical anomalies has always been a cornerstone of scientific discovery. According to their current theory, he says, "the companion is a brown dwarf star or massive planet of mass between two and six times the mass of Jupiter". A brown dwarf is a star too small to sustain the nuclear fusion that powers our Sun, and so is relatively cool (surface temperature of less than 1500C) and so also very dim, being barely hot enough to give off light. - But it gets worse. Under their original theory, called the Nemesis theory, this small dark star, which lurks at around 90,000 times farther away than the Earth is from the Sun, may be on an orbit that, once every 30 million years, ploughs it into the densely packed inner cloud. Here its immense gravitational pull would drag out several of the Oort comets and give them the "kick" needed to send them towards the Sun on orbits perilously close to the Earth. This explains, in the professor's view, the ominous mass extinction cycle, due to regular periods of increased cometary activity every 30 million years. Comment: See the C's take on the Twin Sun, and Cometary Showers: Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. It is also important to know how these ideas compare to, and differ from, the ideas of Zecariah Sitchin and his "Nibiru" or "Planet X" hypothesis. As time passes, and more and more events of the so-called "End Times" seem to be developing right in front of us, the C's information becomes stronger with repeated validation, and the research we have done based on these clues indicate that we are, indeed, on the threshold of an amazing experience. Asteroid twice as large as expected, (CNN) according to NASA scientists, who on Tuesday released the first image of the encounter. After the Stardust craft passed within 2,000 miles (3,300 km) of asteroid Annefrank, mission researchers determined that it is about 5 miles (8 km) in diameter. The crater-pocked, oddly shaped boulder turned out to reflect much less sunlight than originally thought, which accounted for the error of the earlier size estimate. NASA spacecraft swept within 1,900 miles of a small asteroid in a practice run before a much closer brush with a comet scheduled for January 2004. - The flyby was intended to allow flight controllers at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to hone skills that will be needed January 2, 2004, when Stardust is scheduled to fly within 100 miles of the comet Wild-2's nucleus. - The $200 million Stardust mission was launched in February 1999. Mars to Get Closer than Ever in Recorded History (Space.com) in 2003 - Mars recently emerged into the morning sky and has begun an orbital dance with Earth that will, over the next several months, lead to the best viewing opportunity since Neanderthals looked skyward. - For now it appears rather small in the sky and low on the horizon. However, this is only the beginning of what will turn out to be the most dramatic and spectacular Mars apparition you or any of your ancestors has ever had a chance to see. - The Red Planet is getting progressively closer to Earth with each passing night, and consequently it will slowly appear to grow larger and brighter. By late August 2003, when it will be about 191 million miles closer, the reddish point of light in our night sky will appear more than six times larger and shine some 85 times brighter than it appears now. - At 5:51 a.m. EDT on Aug. 27, 2003, Mars will be within 34,646,488 miles (55,746,199 kilometers) of Earth. This will be the closest that Mars has come to our planet in about 73,000 years, based on detailed computations by Jean Meeus of Belgium. - At the close approach, the Red Planet will be brighter than Jupiter and all the stars in the night sky, outshone only by Venus and the Moon. Comment: Maybe I'm getting over sensitive to every announcement that comes out of the controlled media, scientific community, or political arena, but this really smells like a stinky red herring to me. Just to explain why, let me share some session excerpts, edited hard to bring up only the essential points:
The above remark: "it is not imminent!" was given back in 1996. Since everything reflects macrodynamically and microdynamically, we can look at what is going on in the political sphere as the preparations of the Secret Cult for the events described above. As we have noted before, everything is a smokescreen designed to cover up the agenda of the Global Elitists who plan to survive this event at the expense of the whole rest of the human race. The C's had more to say about the subject when we brought it up some time later
As it happens, all of these
events actually "fit" into both the prophecies referenced above
[See: Daniel 10-12] as well as the scientific calculations. Ark has
been in touch with all the astronomical experts on Companion Stars,
and after some exchanges and data mining, he did some mathematical
modeling. The time period for the "Greatest Show on Earth" seems to
be 2009. That just happens to be about 6 years from 2003 - wherein
we now see the announcement being made that Mars is going to be
closer to Earth than it has been since 70 some thousand years ago.
Interestingly, that is also in the time period ballpark of the
figure the C's gave for the destruction of the planet that was
formerly in the orbit now occupied by the asteroid belt. It was
also the time of the arrival to Earth of the "Nordic" type of
human.
So, what is the meaning of this "Mars Event?" First of all, it will get people used to strange astronomical events that might otherwise be frightening. Second, it could very well be a distraction.
And maybe that is what is happening with Mars...
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