abstractart555 I demand an explanation from the CGI artist as to why the moon in front of Jupiter is pitch black and not reflecting any light!

abstractart555 God also made light before He made the Sun... What is the Light then?

For my part, I have lived in the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere, as well as on the equatorial line, and with my own eyes and from my own experience, the Flat Earth model does not fit in with the sun's trajectory in each location. The Sun curves to the South in the North, curves to the North in the South, and goes in a straight-line overhead on the equator. No theory can replace what my eyes have witnessed.

Also, Mercury and Venus (Wisdom and Love) always accompany the Sun (the source of Light), whereas the 'outer planets' do seem to be 'out there' and not 'in front'... I have seen no 'Flat Earth model' that can satisfactorily explain this, though I am open to hear explanations.

What I do agree on is that the Flat Earth model is relevant to the Astrological Chart, which is what the ancient Chaldean astrologers were also more focused on, the spiritual currents reaching the Earth... It seems that the actual physical material arrangement of physical bodies was of secondary importance, if any at all. From what I understand, the ancient conception of 'firmament' and 'spheres' was more related to the journey of the soul into the 'spheres' (as in, coming far away from the stars, the souls had in their own firmament the Sun and the Moon, which are all spheres the soul has to travel through to arrive here as well as go back to its original point of departure... most souls, however, have got trapped here). I can't help but feel that, although the Flat Earth movement is seeing things from a certain perspective, nevertheless, it is a physical perspective, the spiritual-soul reality is left behind, and a mere physical materialistic worldview is being upheld, which is essentially what the modern Flat Earth model has become - devoid of spirituality, a form of distraction.

The fact that the UN has the Flat Earth model on its flag, I personally don't take that as a sign of truth. In the same way that when we close one eye, suddenly we lose the 3D vision of the world, so a two-dimensional worldview seems more to indicate the loss of senses, rather than a gaining of a superior perspective.

I remember this event very clearly because an uncle of mine was working for a European space agency, which was active in taking some of the photos, and he was super-excited about the event, because no one knew at that time if Jupiter was going to survive the impact... he sent my family the pictures as soon as they were taken... As far as I can recall, 'Photoshop' did not exist at that time... There were just basic 384 and 484 computer models, with Microsoft software, with 'Paint'... as well as Apple Mackintosh, which I had no contact with.

Also, my uncle is a complete gossip-monger, and if there was anything suspicious or 'secretive' about his job, to be sure we would have all heard about it.

I have also known professional independent astronomers, people who were searching the heavens for truths and revelations, and reporting all and everything they discovered to the official organizations, with the hope that they would gain some recognition. Not once did they mention 'something strange' about the Copernicus system, all their findings were in keeping with Kepler's laws, and likewise, they were independent, and everything they discovered was quickly declared on the rooftops to all the neighbourhood.

Likewise, nor have I seen NASA photos of cars in Europe driving 'the right way up'... from what I understand, there is so much atmosphere obstructing such a photo, the image does not come out due to the laws of refraction.

PedroCarpintero

I can't help but feel that, although the Flat Earth movement is seeing things from a certain perspective, nevertheless, it is a physical perspective, the spiritual-soul reality is left behind, and a mere physical materialistic worldview is being upheld, which is essentially what the modern Flat Earth model has become - devoid of spirituality, a form of distraction.

I think you reach the wrong conclusion, if you are not a "flat earther" then I don't think you are able to understand the deeper experience that the viewpoint triggers

I would argue the opposite, that it science that wishes us to all succumb to their godless, spiritually devoid model of a random rock, in an insignificant solar system within a meaningless galaxy

Science has dismissed any uniqueness of Earth or humanity - Their god is the big bang and they would convince us that if we had a big enough telescope we will actually "see" the actual creation event

HashAttack2 - well come on it is obvious. You can't measure back to something that happened in the past using tools created after it happened now can you?

Seriously - the tools created after the event occurred will be just a reflection of the past event and will not have the key to get back to that moment, so it is a waste of time to even contemplate it. Here is a song to think about this.

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You are awesome Hash.

Ken

ps - I'm getting more and more fond of this lady here.....oh boy....

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HashAttack2 I can understand the idea of 'we are the centre of the universe' as being a spiritual trigger, and to some degree, from all of our own perspectives, we certainly are the centre of our own universe, and that point of view helps build responsibility and determination to better oneself.

Nevertheless, I also believe that the fundamental problem in the universe is the same obstacle: "I am the centre of the universe". It is also extreme egotism, and for me, it is a worldview closer to a psychopath than someone who is looking for the truth. As I've said, I've lived in the North, the South, and the Equator, and the flat-earth model does not fit in with what I've seen with my own eyes. The fact that the Sun moves practically near-horizontally on the poles, and vertically on the equator, is an indication of its spherical nature.

If this humanity is the centre of the universe, I consider that a great insult to God... "Those who create a lie about God are truly led astray." In our current state, from my point of view, there is no other place we could be except at the darkened abysmal edges of the galactic light, both philosophically and physically. Many folks from all over the world have had experiences with extra-terrestrials (not the fake inferior beings that are touted in the Hollywood films), and nearly all witness' tell of how they clearly are 'superior beings' in comparison to our childish retarded species.

Some say that a moon of Jupiter, Ganamedes, is inhabited by a 'settled' humanity who, with permission from the planetary body, have installed a fully-working socialist civilization, have managed to tap into the planet's forces to create heat and light, water and air, and live in complete harmony with one another and the planetary body, and dedicate themselves to learning and spiritual growth. There is an interesting book, "I visited Ganamedes", which explains the civilization in minute detail.

Buffalo_Ken My father was a bit fan of bands like the Seekers

PedroCarpintero It's more of a case of "We are the centre of (our) universe", not so much an individual thing

I'm more inclined to think we are a small part of "big Earth" as opposed to some flat model, but the physical shape and size isn't something that I am overly concerned about

I choose to believe that NASA et al tell us a story about space and choose not to believe them

We may live on a globe as described, but we don't seem to have explanations as to how we deal with such a physical reality - e.g. I'd love to know how something like the Nord Stream pipelines manage to follow the curve

Buffalo_Ken Yes, they did - Thought to have originally been a comet with a 5km diameter that had been pulled apart by a previous close orbit. There were 21 fragments, ranging from 300 to 2000 meters diameter, all in a line and all destined to crash into Jupiter at 60km/s over a period of 6 days

The largest coming on July 18 at 07:33 UTC when fragment G struck Jupiter. This impact created a giant dark spot over 12,000 km or 7,500 mi (almost one Earth diameter) across, and was estimated to have released an energy equivalent to 6,000,000 megatons of TNT (600 times the world's nuclear arsenal). Two impacts 12 hours apart on July 19 created impact marks of similar size to that caused by fragment G, and impacts continued until July 22, when fragment W struck the planet

HashAttack2 - well, ok on that....but that perfect circle black spot in the image - something about that is not accurate.....or am I incorrect?

Buffalo_Ken Looks wrong to me ... Did you see this one?

From a Million Miles Away, NASA Camera Shows Moon Crossing Face of Earth - [Link]
You can click on the GIF and zoom in to watch in full screen ... Just noticed you get to see a bit of Antarctica right at the bottom .. It's grey of course, no sign of snow!

HashAttack2 - I like that gif.....thing is if it was a Jupiter moon, the circle would not be "perfect" and truly there is no such thing as a perfect circle.....if the sun's rays were coming in at an angle, I think the shadow would be an ellipse.

One possibility is that it is an artifact from the equipment used to capture the image.

There are other possibilities including somebody not very practiced at "photoshopping" images.....

Anyhow, comet remnants hit planets all the time - earth is presently feeling remnants of K2 is what I think.