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Enough: Public 'overwhelmingly' wants border wall

Paul Bedard
Washington Examiner
Mon, 17 Oct 2022 09:48 UTC

The public has had it with the border chaos caused by President Joe Biden's policies and "overwhelmingly" want a coast-to-coast wall built as former President Donald Trump once promised and delivered 458 miles on.

In a new I&I/TIPP poll, voters decried the surge past 2 million illegal immigrants crossing into the United States this year and said they believe Republicans would handle the problem better. But they also said that the administration should stop blocking construction of a wall and get back to finishing it.

"By 57% to 33%, Americans overwhelmingly support building a wall," said the poll analysis shared with Secrets on Monday.

"Among Republican voters, support is very strong, with 85% favoring and just 11% opposing. Independents support it: 47% to 37%. Even Democrats show surprisingly strong support for building a wall: While 48% oppose it, 45% support it," said the analysis.

The pollster cited several reasons for the growing support, noting the string of problems along the border, including increased illegal crossings and the surge in crime. Just over the weekend, Texas police arrested over 700 illegal immigrants and seized drugs along the border.

Reader Comments

Buffalo_Ken · 2022-10-18T19:41:46Z

Here is a link that ought be informative on this topic....

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It speaks to a sick twisted experiment performed on young boys and this sort of thing need to stop because it leads to walls for no good reason.

I don't want a bunch of immigrants crossing borders any less than the folks in Texas but the psychology discussed in the link speaks to this and I think I'm looking for blood.

You got any blood to offer up for the cause?

Offer it up and then lets go get the ones who perform these sort of experiments because they have been growing larger in scale and it is time for Justified Retribution.

Without Justified Retribution they will never stop harming innocence.

Seems an easy choice.

In general I'm against walls that weren't necessary in the first place.

Gator · 2022-10-18T22:24:37Z

Buffalo_Ken Fantastic article you posted the link to. Thx for posing The smaller picture = USA 2 party political system, BIG picture, speaks to Machiavelli, and Grand picture, speaks to DUALITY of the human mind...

The article does not speak to "Without Justified Retribution they will never stop harming innocence." formerly known as Divine Retribution.....ALL tribalistic thinking in my humble opinion...

Buffalo_Ken · 2022-10-18T22:38:48Z

Gator - thank you Gator and god bless the Maple Leaf - tis the better side of the coin.

Gator ·

Buffalo_Ken

· 2022-10-18T22:51:55Z

JTF Truth · 2022-10-19T01:24:31Z

Buffalo_Ken Great link, interesting insight. Poor kids. Mind you by 5th grade I remember taking a side was already entrenched in our minds. Sports does this and so does the school system. Wonder what the outcome would have been, if the kids had zero education/indoctrination and were from broken families? To me, based on my own personal experience, the outcome makes sense and I'm not surprised. A good proof that the indoctrination was working well on the youth of the day.

To do nothing, in some situations is also a choice. The border solution? All the wall represents is a hurdle. The true question in the end will be, is it to keep people out or keep people in?

Lemuel Gulliver · 2022-10-19T03:43:14Z

Buffalo_Ken Excellent article! The links that commenters post on SOTT are often as valuable as the articles themselves. This study you told us about ranks right up there with the Milgram Experiment [Link] in terms of what it reveals about human behavior. Thank you so much!

Dwoods44 · 2022-10-19T13:42:27Z

Buffalo_Ken Excellent link. I had never heard of this experiment. The article advice: 1) Firstly, reject party politics. It is the absolute bane of freethinking. A party is another way of saying ‘group’ or ‘tribe’. You should vote on ideas , not people or parties.(But remember the psychopaths use ideology to manipulate). 2) The second is to immediately reject anyone trying to identify a generalised ‘outgroup’, like ‘you’re pro-Putin’, ‘you’re a Fascist’, ‘you’re a Communist’, etc.

These are 2 methods of manipulation, to divide and conquer.

Buffalo_Ken · 2022-10-19T20:17:08Z

Dwoods44 - thanks for that synopsis.

The test I think was "small-scale" in the minds of the psychologist, and maybe they thought it was an innocent test.....but I don't and tests of these nature seem to have just grown in scale and they are.... .i'm speechless I can't find a word horrific enough to express my sentiment....

Probably most of the boys in the test didn't give it much of a second thought after the fact, but maybe some of them stayed in touch with each other and that might be an interesting story to explore.

Peace,

Ken

ps - kids would of been born in 44 meaning they are now what....56+22=78 years old. Most of em are probably still alive.

corrections, kids were born in 43 probably and they might be 79....still, most of them, or many of them are likely still alive.

ask an actuary if you doubt me....or maybe an epidemiologist not brainwashed....

Artex · 2022-10-18T20:14:22Z

I want a secure border, but a border wall is a ludicrous idea with environmental consequences, and "coyotes" will just dig a tunnel under it anyway. Enforce the frickin' borders and send people back if they are undocumented. If people are asking asylum, ask our allies to take some or most of them. I'm sure Canada, New Zealand, Australia and UK are in short supply of South Americans. Otherwise, pound sand. We have 24% unemployment and a government that is for all intents and purposes, bankrupt, yet sending all our tax dollars to Ukraine.

Baybars · 2022-10-18T20:40:43Z

Artex It's a Big freaking border! The U.S. would have to bring home half it's 'away team' to enforce it, which means their other overseas holdings would be left unguarded.

At the Canadian/American border the U.S. have nifty sensors for movement, ground vibration, infra-red and visual light cameras all designed to catch evil Canadians crossing into the U.S. The U.S. has even convinced Canada to let U.S. border guards have authority 100 Km north of the border into Canada!!

LOL! You might recall, pre-covid, that immigrants from other nations would make their way up to the U.S./Canadian border, some by taxi, and then walk across into the open arms of Quebec, New Brunswick and Ontario police. So ya, we have lots of people from other nations at the moment.

Anyway, since when did the Democrats ever care what Americans wanted?

Gator · 2022-10-18T22:56:42Z

Baybars VERY TRUE !! also if the USA troops came home to defend their borders would that not resemble what Russia/China/India does ?? Vs...building 1000 bases worldwide to create hegemony aka imperialism/domination?

Demore · 2022-10-19T00:19:48Z

Artex Oh no we're not in short supply. Where I work for example all notices are in french and spanish. Many of them are not functional in french. They are all over around here.

Demore · 2022-10-19T00:21:30Z

Baybars ''.. U.S. border guards have authority 100 Km north of the border into Canada!! ''

What !!? Authority over who ?

JohnnyQuest · 2022-10-19T00:50:56Z

Artex Of course the root reasons WHY millions of middle and southern Americans risk life and limb to enter the US are never explained nor discussed. Just build a wall… that’ll solve the problem. Right.

The root causes for this massive migration will never be dealt with so we might as well get used to it.

Artex · 2022-10-19T13:21:57Z

JohnnyQuest Right, because the root cause is the neoliberal/unipolar world order. They want out of their country because we are the empire and they are the vassal.

Baybars · 2022-10-19T16:28:34Z

Demore Part of the U.S./Canada/Mexico security agreement. It allows 'preventative' measures, a buffer zone to protect their precious border, so they say. Canada giving up sovereignty is what it is.

It takes on many shapes and serves many purposes, mostly to the Americans benefit.

From a 2013 Article:

"Three months and a day after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the US and Canada signed the Smart Border Declaration, in turn agreeing to increase information sharing and law enforcement cooperation between the two countries. In the decade-plus since, agencies on either side of the border have seen things change dramatically. The Canadian Public Safety Office notes that the signing of the Smart Border Declaration led to the creation of Integrated Border Enforcement Teams (IBETS) “to jointly investigate cross-border criminal and terrorist activity.” Today there are IBETs operating in 15 regions along the US/Canada border drawing upon the RCMP and the Canada Border Services Agency to cooperate directly with the US Coast Guard, Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Five years after that agreement was signed, Canadian Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said that the FBI was approving US officials to conduct “routine investigations” on a regular basis across the border up to 50 miles deep into Canadian territory."

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See also:

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Demore · 2022-10-19T20:11:40Z

Baybars Thanks for the info and links. The 3rd link was interesting; one could get arrested for deciding to not visit in the US... Duh. Not liking the attitude is suspicious, okay...

JTF Truth · 2022-10-19T20:30:55Z

Baybars Since the Patriot Act, I hate having to be on any plane that flies over US airspace. I hate and won't fly any plane that would involve any kind of connecting flight in the US. And since I no longer work for an american bank I have no yearning to ever go there again. It felt like a prison when I first visited the land, back in 88 and it felt like a super max on my last visit in 15.

Thanks for the info. Turdo just loves selling off our sovereignty to the lowest bidders, all the time. Just like his step dad.

Artex · 2022-10-19T20:35:09Z

JTF Truth I haven't flown in a few years, but I shudder at the thought. Even if we didn't have the security theater and dehumanizing features of the TSA, there is still the rage-inducing task of booking flights while never knowing what the actual rates are. Now on many airlines only a single carry-on is included in the price of the ticket and you can't even sit next to your own child without paying a contiguous seating fee. And every year the seats are narrower while the passengers get wider.

JTF Truth · 2022-10-19T21:02:25Z

Artex I hear ya, loud and clear. No Frills is BS. I do all the work, book the flight, pay to pick my seat, pay $3 CAD less for 1 carry on than the cost of 1 checked bag (but at least it won't get lost). $41 for the flight, $23 for the seat, $57.50 to carrying a effing bag on the plane. "PRICELESS", and another $40+ in BS taxes.

I just flew for the first time in years. I make security work for me, not me for them. They hate it when I moo when I'm in line and it's long, usually gets me spot checked. I love it, my wife hates it. The security is all BS. It's all about making you pay 4 times the price for items on the other side, at least that's the way it is in Canada. And to make you use Credit cards for everything. AC still owes me $8.50 for the meal they denied me on the last trip across Canada before the lock downs. I effing hate flying, governments ruined everything.

Biggyrat · 2022-10-19T01:30:45Z

You are afraid to say the name of the 800 lb gorilla ruining all white country's. Guess what country demands every American give up his place at the table to screeching gibbering africans and amerinds, while guarding the borders of their stolen country from palestinians. Still afraid to name them aren't you. Cowardly lacky.

danny esq ·

Biggyrat

· 2022-10-19T07:19:07Z

Lemuel Gulliver · 2022-10-19T03:57:43Z

Buffalo_Ken Baybars Artex Demore Gator JTF Truth ON THE OTHER HAND, is this innate human behavior, or just a manifestation of our particular U.S. culture? Please, I beg you, watch this video: "The Kin School, Tekos, Russia" [Link]
And then, an exposition of its philosophy: [Link]
And then, please, please, come back here and comment on what you have seen!

JTF Truth · 2022-10-19T13:28:20Z

Lemuel Gulliver WOW. What an interesting way to learn and to fit into society. It reminded me of a book I read about an island country that functioned in a similar manner (fiction), wish I could remember the name.

The Kin School had a cultish feel to it and yet it did not. How does the founder interact and shape what the children do? Where are the children from the first video at today in the world?

I've always believed that children's brains are like sponges and given the right learning environment, they can thrive. I love the fact how they help and teach one another, it's not a competition, like it is everywhere else. That's a dumb mentality for the whole school system, based on competition. But here, your peers instead of being bullies or competitors for the teachers affections, the energy (to me) is properly channeled back to the common goal by all to learn, prosper, teach and share their understanding of the topics covered. No authoritarian dictating to you how to, what where and when to learn. The flow is more natural with a positive feedback loop not seen in current learning models. Heaven forbid all children learn this way, it would upset the current cartels plans of mutual self destruction.

Culture is also a part of their learning process and I believe that that is very important to all regions. Culture is where you came from, it's a part of your identity. It would be interesting to hear view points from the parents perspectives.

I like that they learn to defend themselves, self preservation is always important and helps to build ones character in different ways. Not sure I liked the military aspect, but at the same time understood the positive aspects such as preservation of ones country should the need arise.

I liked, although it was not discussed much, the integration of GOD the creator into their understanding.

I saw lots of positives and yet, maybe because of my biases something did not seem right. Something seemed off. I need more information to understand the impacts on the children's lives and their integration into the outside world.

Would these kids/adults see a need for a physical wall to be built? It would be interesting to know, as to how they would defend their culture and country.

That's all for now, I'm still processing my thoughts.

Good find!

Baybars · 2022-10-19T16:36:48Z

Lemuel Gulliver " Unless you become like little children, you will not enter the kingdom of God. "

What is not to like? As JTF Truth mentioned, it felt cultish to me at first. Yet once I had finished with your material the realization struck me that it only felt cultish because I have been trained/programmed to be individualistic rather than communal. It is western culture that has done this.

"Parsi also claims to have heard from a Western-friendly "senior Global South diplomat" that "whatever agonizing claim the US had to lead a...

ReRan

Their spelling is wrong. Shouldn't it be attack'ems ?

ReRan

Needless, wanton violence. So sad.

ReRan

Depopulation agenda is well under way....less stupid humans might be better.

Gator

and you thought your wife's back seat driving was annoying....

Gator

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