Introduction: Ibn 'Arabî and Islamic mysticism
According to Professor Henry Corbin, one of the 20th century's most prolific scholars of Islamic mysticism, Ibn 'Arabî (1165-1240) was "a spiritual genius who was not only one of the greatest masters of Sufism in Islam, but also one of the great mystics of all time."
Imagination (khayâl), as Corbin has shown, plays a major role in Ibn 'Arabî's writings. In the Openings, for example, he says about it, "After the knowledge of the divine names and of self-disclosure and its all-pervadingness, no pillar of knowledge is more complete".
He frequently criticizes philosophers and theologians for their failure to acknowledge its cognitive significance. In his view, 'aql or reason, a word that derives from the same root as 'iqâl, fetter, can only delimit, define, and analyze. It perceives difference and distinction, and quickly grasps the divine transcendence and incomparability.
In contrast, properly disciplined imagination has the capacity to perceive God's self-disclosure in all Three Books of creation. As Ibn 'Arabî remarks, when God speaks — and he speaks because the Infinite Real cannot but display its qualities and characteristics — he voices three books, each of which is made up of signs/verses: the universe perceptible to the senses, the universe that can be apprehended by pure intellectual Perception, and - existing between them - an intermediate world, the world of Idea-Images, of archetypal figures, of subtile substances, of "immaterial matter". The world of Imagination, of media.
The symbolic and mythic language of scripture, like the constantly shifting and never-repeated self-disclosures that are cosmos and soul, cannot be interpreted away with reason's strictures. What Corbin calls "creative imagination" (a term that does not have an exact equivalent in Ibn 'Arabî's vocabulary) must complement rational perception.

The rational path of philosophers and theologians needs to be complemented by the mystical intuition of the Sufis, the "unveiling" (kashf) that allows for imaginal — not "imaginary" — vision. The heart, which in itself is unitary consciousness, must become attuned to its own fluctuation, at one beat seeing God's incomparability with the eye of reason, at the next seeing his similarity with the eye of imagination. Its two visions are prefigured in the two primary names of the Scripture, al-qur'ân, "that which brings together", and al-furqân, "that which differentiates".
These two demarcate the contours of ontology and epistemology. The first alludes to the unifying oneness of Being (perceived by imagination), and the second to the differentiating manyness of knowledge and discernment (perceived by reason). The Real, as Ibn 'Arabî often says, is the One/the Many (al-wâhid al-kathîr), that is, One in Essence and many in names, the names being the principles of all multiplicity, limitation, and definition. In effect, with the eye of imagination, the heart sees Being present in all things, and with the eye of reason it discerns its transcendence and the diversity of the divine faces.

Here his use of khayâl accords with its everyday meaning, which is closer to image than imagination. It was employed to designate mirror images, shadows, scarecrows, and everything that appears in dreams and visions; in this sense it is synonymous with the term mithâl, which was often preferred by later authors. Ibn 'Arabî stresses that an image brings together two sides and unites them as one; it is both the same as and different from the two.
A mirror image is both the mirror and the object that it reflects, or, it is neither the mirror nor the object. A dream is both the soul and what is seen, or, it is neither the soul nor what is seen. By nature images are/are not. In the eye of reason, a notion is either true or false. Imagination perceives notions as images and recognizes that they are simultaneously true and false, or neither true nor false. The implications for ontology become clear when we look at the three "worlds of imagination".
Preface by Harold Bloom: The Personal and Impersonal God
Why pray to the Stranger God? He is so alienated from our cosmological emptiness that he could never hear us. We might want to pray for him, but to whom? As for believing that he exists: we have no term for his wandering on the outer spaces, so existence does not apply. What matters most is necessarily either too far outside us or too far within us to be available, even if our readiness were all.
What is the use of gnosis, if it is so forbiddingly elitist? Since the alternatives are diseases of the will and of the intellect, why invoke the criterion of usefulness? Prayers are a more interesting literary form than creeds, but even the most impressive of prayers will not change us, let alone change God.
And nearly all prayers are directed anyway to the archons, the angels who made and marred this world, and whom we worship, William Blake warned, as Jesus and Jehovah, Divine Names misapplied to our prison warders. The Accusers who are the gods of this world have won all of the victories, and they will go on triumphing over us. History is always on their side, for they are history.

Here we shall not be dealing with imagination in the usual sense of the word: neither with fantasy, profane or otherwise, nor with the organ which produces imaginings identified with the unreal; nor shall we even be dealing exactly with what we look upon as the organ of aesthetic creation. We shall be speaking of an absolutely basic function, correlated with a universe peculiar to it, a universe endowed with a perfectly "objective" existence and perceived precisely through the Imagination.
Today, with the help of phenomenology, we are able to examine the way in which man experiences his relationship to the world without reducing the objective data of this experience to data of sense perception or limiting the field of true and meaningful knowledge to the mere operations of the rational understanding. Freed from an old impasse, we have learned to register and to make use of the intentions implicit in all the acts of consciousness or trans-consciousness.
To say that the Imagination (or love, or sympathy, or any other sentiment) induces knowledge, and knowledge of an "object" which is proper to it, no longer smacks of paradox. Still, once the full noetic value of the Imagination is admitted, it may be advisable to free the intentions of the Imagination from the parentheses in which a purely phenomenological interpretation encloses them, if we wish, without fear or misunderstanding, to relate the imaginative function to the view of the world proposed by the Spiritualists to whose company the present study invites us.
The Intermediary World of Archetypes, or 'Images'
For them the world is "objectively" and actually threefold: between the universe that can be apprehended by pure intellectual perception (the universe of the Cherubic Intelligences) and the universe perceptible to the senses, there is an intermediate world, the world of Idea-Images, of archetypal figures, of subtile substances, of "immaterial matter." This world is as real and objective, as consistent and subsistent as the intelligible and sensible world; it is an intermediate universe "where the spiritual takes body and the body becomes spiritual," a world consisting of real matter and real extension, though by comparison to sensible, corruptible matter these are subtile and immaterial.
The organ of this universe is the active Imagination; it is the place of theophanic visions, the scene on which visionary events and symbolic histories appear in their true reality.
We shall try to show in what sense this Imagination is creative: because it is essentially the active Imagination and because its activity defines it essentially as a theophanic Imagination. It assumes an unparalleled function, so out of keeping with the inoffensive or pejorative view commonly taken of the "imagination," that we might have preferred to designate this Imagination by a neologism and have occasionally employed the term Imaginatrix.
Avicennism identifies it with the Holy Spirit, that is, with the Angel Gabriel as the Angel of Knowledge and of Revelation.

At this point we must recapitulate the distinction, fundamental for us, between allegory and symbol; allegory is a rational operation, implying no transition either to a new plane of being or to a new depth of consciousness; it is a figuration, at an identical level of consciousness, of what might very well be known in a different way.
The symbol announces a plane of consciousness distinct from that of rational evidence; it is the "cipher" of a mystery, the only means of saying something that cannot be apprehended in any other way; a symbol is never "explained" once and for all, but must be deciphered over and over again, just as a musical score is never deciphered once and for all, but calls for ever new execution.


The Avicennan angelology provides the foundation of the intermediate world of pure Imagination; it made possible the prophetic psychology on which rested the spirit of symbolic exegesis, the spiritual understanding of Revelations, in short, the ta'wll which was equally fundamental to Sufism and to Shi'ism (etymologically the "carrying back" of a thing to its principle, of a symbol to what it symbolizes). The ta'wll presupposes a flowering of symbols and hence the active Imagination, the organ which at once produces symbols and apprehends them.
The conviction that to everything that is apparent, literal, external, exoteric (zahir) there corresponds something hidden, spiritual, internal, esoteric (batin) is the scriptural principle which is at the very foundation of Shi'ism as a religious phenomenon. It is the central postulate of esoterism and of esoteric hermeneutics (ta'wil).
The active Imagination guides, anticipates, moulds sense perception; that is why it transmutes sensory data into symbols. The Burning Bush is only a brushwood fire if it is merely perceived by the sensory organs. In order that Moses may perceive the Burning Bush and hear the Voice calling him "from the right side of the valley"- in short, in order that there may be a theophany - an organ of trans-sensory perception is needed.
Since the Imagination is the organ of theophanic perception, it is also the organ of prophetic hermeneutics, for it is the imagination which is at all times capable of transmuting sensory data into symbols and external events into symbolic histories.
Our meaning is expressed in the following anecdote which we owe to Semnani, the great Iranian Sufi: Jesus was sleeping with a brick for pillow. The accursed demon came and stopped at his bedside. When Jesus sensed that the accursed one was there, he woke up and said: Why hast thou come to me, accursed one? - I have come to get my things. - And what things of thine are there here? - This brick that thou restest thine head on. - Then Jesus (Ruh Allah, Spiritus Dei) seized the brick and flung it in his face.
Naming God
Thus the true name of the Divinity, the name which expresses His hidden depths, is not the Infinite and All-Powerful of our rational theodicies. Nothing can better bear witness to the feeling for a "pathetic God," which is no less authentic than that disclosed (as we have seen above) by a phenomenology of prophetic religion.
Here we are at the heart of a mystical gnosis, and that is why we have refused to let ourselves be restricted to the above-mentioned opposition. For Ismailian Gnosis, the supreme Godhead cannot be known or even named as "God"; Al-Lah is a name which indeed is given to the created being, the Most-Near and sacrosanct Archangel, the Protokistos or Archangel-Logos. This Name then expresses sadness, nostalgia aspiring eternally to know the Principle which eternally initiates it: the nostalgia of the revealed God (i.e., revealed for man) yearning to be once more beyond His revealed being.
This mediating faculty is the active or creative Imagination which Ibn 'Arabî designates as "Presence" or "imaginative Dignity" (Hadrat khayallya). Perhaps we are in need of a neologism to safeguard the meaning of this "Dignity " and to avoid confusion with the current acceptance of the word "imaginative." We might speak of an Imaginatrix.

Thus the experience of mystic love, which is a conjunction ("conspiration") of the spiritual and the physical, implies that imaginative Energy, or creative Imagination, the theory of which plays so large a part in the visionary experience of Ibn 'Arabî. As organ of the transmutation of the sensible, it has the power to manifest the "angelic function of beings." In so doing, it effects a twofold movement; on the one hand it causes invisible spiritual realities to descend to the reality of the Image (but no further, for to our authors the lmaginalia are the maximum of "material" condensation compatible with spiritual realities); and it also effects the only possible form of assimilation (taskbrk) between Creator and creature.
And on the other hand the image itself, though distinct from the sensible world, is not alien to it, for the Imagination transmutes the sensible world by raising it up to its own subtile and incorruptible modality. This twofold movement, which is at the same time a descent of the divine and an assumption of the sensible, corresponds to what Ibn 'Arabî elsewhere designates etymologically as a "condescendence" (munazala). The Imagination is the scene of the encounter whereby the supersensory-divine and the sensible "descend" at one and the same "abode."

For this reason the degree of spiritual experience depends on the degree of reality invested in the Image, and conversely, it is in this Image that the mystic contemplates in actu the full perfection of the Beloved and that he experiences His presence within himself. Without this "imaginative union" (ttisiil jl'l-ltkayal), without the "transfiguration" it brings about, physical union is a mere delusion, a cause or symptom of mental derangement. Pure "imaginative contemplation" (muskakadat ltkayallya), on the other hand, can attain such intensity that any material and sensible presence would only draw it down. Such was the famous case of Majnun, and this, says Ibn 'Arabî, is the most subtile phenomenon of love.
Indeed this phenomenon presupposes that the fedele d'amore has understood that the Image is not outside him, but within his being; better still, it is his very being, the form of the divine Name which he himself brought with him in coming into being. And the circle of the dialectic of love closes on this fundamental experience: "Love is closer to the lover than is his jugular vein." So excessive is this nearness that it acts at first as a veil. That is why the inexperienced novice, though dominated by the Image which invests his whole inner being, goes looking for it outside of himself, in a desperate search from form to form of the sensible world, until he returns to the sanctuary of his soul and perceives that the real Beloved is deep within his own being; and, from that moment on, he seeks the Beloved only through the Beloved.

This reversibility merely expresses the experience of the "secret of divine suzerainty" (sirr al-rubublya), that secret which is "thou," so that the divine service of the fedele d'amore consists in his devotio sympathetica, which is to say, the "substantiation" by his whole being of the theophanic investiture which he confers upon a visible form. That is why the quality and the fidelity of the mystic lover are contingent on his "imaginative power," for as Ibn 'Arabî says: "The divine Lover is spirit without body; the purely physical lover is body without spirit; the spiritual lover (that is, the mystic lover) possesses spirit and body."

"The notion of the imagination, magical intermediary between thought and being, incarnation of thought in image and presence of the image in being, is a conception of the utmost importance, which plays a leading role in the philosophy of the Renaissance and which we meet with again in the philosophy of Romanticism" (Alexandre Koyré). This observation, taken from one of our foremost interpreters of the doctrines of Boehme and Paracelsus, provides the best possible introduction to the notion of the Imagination as the magical production of an image, the very type and model of magical action, or of all action as such, but especially of creative action; and, on the other hand, the notion of the image as a body (a magical body, a mental body), in which are incarnated the thought and will of the soul.

Accordingly, everything will depend on the degree of reality that we impute to this imagined universe and by that same token on the real power we impute to the Imagination that imagines it; but both questions depend in turn on the idea that we form of creation and the creative act.
Adam's Dream: The Creation of This World
But between the theosophy of Ibn 'Arabî and that of a theosophist of the Renaissance or of Jacob Boehme's school, there are correspondences sufficiently striking to motivate the comparative studies outlining the respective situation of esoterism in Islam and in Christianity.
On both sides we encounter the idea that the Godhead possesses the power of Imagination, and that by imagining the universe God created it; that He drew this universe from within Himself, from the eternal virtualities and potencies of His own being; that there exists between the universe of pure spirit and the sensible world an intermediate world which is the idea of "Idea Images" as the Sufis put it, the world of "supersensory sensibility," of the subtile magical body, "the world in which spirits are materialized and bodies spiritualized"; that this is the world over which the Imagination holds sway; that in it the Imagination produces effects so real that they can "mould" the imagining subject, and that the Imagination "casts" man in the form (the mental body) that he has imagined.

The initial idea of Ibn 'Arabi's mystic theosophy and of all related theosophies is that the Creation is essentially a theophany (tajalll). As such, creation is an act of the divine imaginative power: this divine creative imagination is essentially a theophanic Imagination. The Active Imagination in the gnostic is likewise a theophanic Imagination; the beings it "creates" subsist with an independent existence sui generis in the intermediate world which pertains to this mode of existence.
The God whom it "creates," far from being an unreal product of our fantasy, is also a theophany, for man's Active Imagination is merely the organ of the absolute theophanic Imagination (takkayyul mutlaq). Prayer is a theophany par excellence; as such, it is "creative"; but the God to whom it is addressed because it "creates" Him is precisely the God who reveals Himself to Prayer in this Creation, and this Creation, at this moment, is one among the theophanies whose real Subject is the Godhead revealing Himself to Himself.
Image as Veil
The Creature-Creator, the Creator who does not produce His creation outside Him, but in a manner of speaking clothes Himself in it as the Appearance (and transparency) beneath which He manifests and reveals Himself first of all to Himself, is referred to by several other names, such as the "imagined God," that is, the God "manifested " by the theophanic Imagination (al-Haqq al-mutakzayyal), the "God created in the faiths" (al-Haqq al-makluq fi'l-i'tiqadat).

That is why man's Active Imagination cannot be a vain fiction, since it is this same theophanic Imagination which, in and by the human being, continues to reveal what it showed itself by first imagining it. Thus creation signifies nothing less than the Manifestation (zuhur) of the hidden (batin).
The Twofold Dimension of Beings
The initial imaginative operation is to typify (ta'wil) the immaterial and spiritual realities in external or sensuous forms, which then become "ciphers" for what they manifest. After that the Imagination remains the motive force of the ta'wll which is the continuous ascent of the soul.
In short, because there is Imagination, there is ta'wll; because there is ta'wll, there is symbolism; and because there is symbolism, beings have two dimensions. This apperception reappears in all the pairs of terms that characterize the theosophy of Ibn 'Arabî: Creator and Creature (Haqq and Khalq}, divinity and humanity (lahut and nasut), Lord and vassal (Rabb and 'Abd).
Each pair of terms typifies a union for which we have suggested the term unio sympathetica. The union of the two terms of each pair constitutes a coincidentia oppositorum, a simultaneity not of contradictories but of complementary opposites, and we have seen above that it is the specific function of the Active Imagination to effect this union which, according to the great Sufi Abu Sarid al-Kharrllz, defines our knowledge of the Godhead. But the essential here is that the mysterium coniunctionis which unites the two terms is a theophanic union (seen from the standpoint of the Creator) or a theopathic union (seen from the standpoint of the creature); in no event is it a "hypostatic union."
The organ which establishes and perceives this coincidentia oppositorum, this simultaneity of complementaries determining the twofold dimension of beings, is man's Active Imagination, which we may term creative insofar as it is, like Creation itself, theophanic.
On this point I awaken you to a sublime secret, from which a number of divine secrets are to be learned, for example, the secret of destiny and the secret of divine knowledge, and the fact that these are one and the same science by which the Creator and the Creature are known. These ideas are strictly related: When you create, it is not you who create, and that is why your creation is true. It is true because each creature has a twofold dimension: the Creator-creature typifies the coincidentia oppositorum.
The Science of the Imagination
In a chapter of his great book, the Spiritual Conquests (or Revelations) of Mecca, Ibn 'Arabî outlines a "science of the Imagination" ('ilm al-khayal) and provides a schema of the themes involved in such a science. The organ of Prayer is the heart, the psycho-spiritual organ, with its concentration of energy, its himma. The role of prayer is shared between God and man, because Creation like theophany is shared between Him who shows Himself (mutajalll) and him to whom it is shown (mutajallalahu); prayer itself is a moment in, a recurrence par excellence of, Creation (tajdld al-khalq).
We witness and participate in an entire ceremonial of meditation, a psalmody in two alternating voices, one human the other divine; and this psalmody perpetually reconstitutes, recreates (lrhalq jadld!) the solidarity and interdependence of the Creator and His creature; in each instant the act of primordial theophany is renewed in this psalmody of the Creator and the creature. This will enable us to understand the homologations that the ritual gestures of Prayer can obtain, to understand that Prayer is a "creator" of vision, and to understand how, because it is a creator of vision, it is simultaneously Prayer of God and Prayer of man. Then we shall gain an intimation of who and of what nature is the "Form of God," when it shows itself to the mystic celebrating this inward liturgy.

Here then is the manner in which Ibn 'Arabî comments on the phases of a divine service that is a dialogue, an intimate dialogue which takes as its "psalm" and foundation the recitation of the Fatiha. He distinguishes three successive moments which correspond to the phases of what we may call his "method of prayer" and provide us with a good indication of how he put his spirituality into practice. First, the faithful must place himself in the company of his God and "converse" with Him. In an intermediate moment the orant, the faithful in prayer, must imagine (takhayyul) his God as present in his Qibla, that is, facing him. Finally, in a third moment, the faithful must attain to intuitive vision (shuhud) or visualization (ru'ya), contemplating his God in the subtile center which is the heart, and simultaneously hear the divine voice vibrating in all manifest things, so much so that he hears nothing else.


The heart is the most powerful source of electromagnetic energy in the human body, producing the largest rhythmic electromagnetic field of any of the body's organs. The heart's electrical field is about 60 times greater than any other organ in the body. The magnetic field of our heart can be experienced up to 6 to 10 feet away from our body. It also has its own capacity for memory.
The Angels of the Microcosm
What are the "Angels of the microcosm"? Here again we find an intimation of a "subtile physiology" resulting from psycho-cosmology and cosmo-physiology, which transform the human body into a microcosm. As we know, since each part of the cosmology has its homologue in man, the whole universe is in him. And just as the Angels of the macrocosm sprang from the faculties of the Primordial Man, from the Angel called Spirit (Rūḥ), so the Angels of the microcosm are the physical, psychic, and spiritual faculties of the individual man.

The Godhead is in mankind as an Image is in a mirror. The place of this Presence is the consciousness of the individual believer, or more exactly, the theophanic Imagination invested in him.
Becoming alive and transparent, the Temple reveals the secret it concealed, the "Form of God" which is the Self (or rather the Figure which eminently personifies it) and makes it known as the Mystic's divine Alter Ego.
Thus the being who is the mystic's transcendent self, his divine Alter Ego, reveals himself, and the mystic does not hesitate to recognize him, for in the course of his quest, when confronting the mystery of the Divine Being, he has heard the command: "Look toward the Angel who is with you and who accomplishes the circumambulations beside you." He has learned that the mystic Ka'aba is the heart of being. It has been said to him: "The Temple which contains Me is your heart." The mystery of the Divine Essence is no other than the Temple of the heart, and it is around the heart that the spiritual pilgrim circumambulates.
The Master Self and Emissary Self
"Accomplish the circumambulations and follow my footsteps," the mystic Youth now commands him. The Youth's point of emergence situates him as the homologue of the Angel in respect of the mystic; he is the mystic's Self, his divine Alter Ego, who projects revelation into him. Then we hear an amazing dialogue, the meaning of which seems at first to defy all human expression. For how indeed is it possible to translate what two beings who are each other can say to each other: the "Angel" who is the divine self, and his other self, the "missionary" on earth, when they meet in the world of "Imaginative Presence"?
The story which the visionary tells his confidant at his bidding is the story of his Quest, that is to say, a brief account of the inner experience from which grew the fundamental intuition of Ibn 'Arabî's theosophy. It is this Quest that is represented by the circumambulations around the Temple of the "heart," that is, around the mystery of the Divine Essence.
But the visionary is no longer the solitary self, reduced to his mere earthly dimension in the face of the inaccessible Godhead, for in encountering the being in whom the Godhead is his companion he knows that he himself is the secret of the Godhead (sirr al-rubilblya), and it is their "syzygia," their twoness which accomplishes the circular processional: seven times, the seven divine Attributes of perfection in which the mystic is successively invested.

Never can the zawahir (manifest, visible things, phenomena) be the causes of other zawalzir; an immaterial cause (glzayr maddiya) is required (cf. in Suhrawardi the idea that that which is in itself pure shadow, screen, barzaklz, cannot be the cause of anything).
The "Temple" is the scene of theophany, the heart where the dialogue between Lover and Beloved is enacted, and that is why this dialogue is the Prayer of God.

The three major works upon which his reputation largely rests in the English speaking world were first published in French in the 1950s: Avicenna and the Visionary Recital, Spiritual Body and Celestial Earth, and Creative Imagination in the Sufism of Ibn 'Arabi, from which the above extract is taken.
Corbin was an important source for the archetypal psychology of James Hillman and others who have developed the psychology of Carl Jung. The American literary critic Harold Bloom claims Corbin as a significant influence on his own conception of Gnosticism, and the American poet Charles Olson was a student of Corbin's Avicenna and the Visionary Recital.
IMAGES of the TEMPLE of MAN/GOD
The Imagination of the Universe Reflecting Itself through its Human Form
Reader Comments
Whenever I feel pain or disappointment (frequently, btw) I wonder: Am I being fairly punished for previous sins or am I, in fact, quite innocent and being wronged by some other?
I do not know, though I'd like to think I can find out....once and for all!
Thus starts the Mystical Journey.
Which is about as bad as it gets.
And as hopeless as can be...
ned,
out
As a believer in reincarnation I see the things that happen in my life today as fully connected to what I did, and did not do so many life-times ago. Which means you and I must have been half-decent in our past existence because we can get up in the morning, have a coffee, eat breakfast, shower with clean, hot water and not worry about walking a mile to get that water, finding fuel to heat that water, or if the critters have eaten our breakfast before we got there.
This bounty won't last. You know that. So cheer the f*&k up and remember that if you had been such a bad guy in your past life, you would have been reincarnated as Nancy Pelosi...
Perhaps until one day when the moles climb out saying don’t do that again Ned Love... although they might say we like what you have done with the place.
Jesus seemed to have more wisdom along the lines of saying move mountain and the bricks above didn’t bother him too much, even though he could slept on them and gave the odd brick a bit of thought but didn’t make it his own.
If he was around today he might say, bricks and molehills eh!, In what tone I hope for the best...
I am the reality of the world, the centre of the circumference,
I am the parts and the whole.
I am the will established between Heaven and Earth,
I have created perception in you only in order to be the object of My Perception.
If then you perceive Me, you perceive yourself.
But you cannot perceive Me through yourself.
It is through My Eyes that you see Me and see yourself,
Through your eyes you cannot see Me...
The immortals are not material, they are made from aether. They are immortal and can attach to any animal, for that animal's life.
The cycle of 500 years between catastrophes is most accurate. The "New Testament" is a warning, prediction, for the conspiracy theorists aka Occultists. The Bethlehem Star is the closest conjunction, ecliptic as well as radial. As you know, these conjunctions repeat a short time later, but then pursue their longer course. So, for Jove and Saturn, containing most of the mass of the non Solar material of the system, it is 470 years then 60 years or so.
It must have taken time for the orbits to have stabilized into their new positions after the last Venusian, Nova. So the fable, the parable, of the carpenter's Son, TN, was published. 12 years after the Bethlehem Star, we have him teaching the sages in the Temple. Jove's orbital period is 12 Earth years. Saturns year is c.30. The irregularity possibly taking the Son by surprise at a social event.... a Marriage. Then 3 years of wonders, miracles, strange events and a death and resurrection. The Nova. The predicted period being 33 years after the Star reappears, midway during the repeat.A new planet or two, will mean Earth cools off further out in the plane. Tick Tock!