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Gcarlin That's not what JBP means when he talks about "socialism".I understand. He should stop demonizing the word socialism as the Republicans and democrats do.
@GCarlinMy case is that if there were no worker protections, there would be no way he could stand up against the SJW nonsense. But then, people like him are in league with libertarian ideals of how unions are bad. He's an unknowing tool of the right/libertarians to justify the agenda of destroying a baseline worker's rights system, because "people are lazy" or "80% of the people do all the work". Sure, that's true in some cases but in some cases you could be that competent worker who says something that management/ownership sees as a threat and uses to lay you off (especially in the right wing "RIGHT TO WORK" states).
" Peterson shows how clueless he is about what socialism is. Funny that if it weren't for socialism in Canada helping Unions, he would've been fired from his professor job way back before he became famous ."
As for not being fired because his union protects him, true enough by degree, yet if there were no union the atmosphere would likely be so different that many of the other radicalized professors would have been drummed out long ago and now they are sheltered and can only complain about Peterson. I'm thinking he would have done just fine without a union on account that the atmosphere would be changed.
Although unions have their place, it is usually on account that some employers will take advantage - and there are many bad employers no argument. However, there are many workers who would prefer to be non-unionized and many employers who treat their workers well without unions. As said above, many unions are often a magnet for sheltering bad workers (or professors) with even worse attitudes, which makes for a toxic workplace dragging them all down. Some professors might even say that there is a preponderance of said toxic professors who can't be fired when clearly they immediately should be. I guess that is one aspect of socialism that works well, for them, yet it does not help society whatsoever with what comes out of their classrooms.
@GCarlinIf you didn't know what was happening to you, and you needed a doctor to find out- LIKE SHE DID, would you rather be in huge debt for that? Your hindsight is 20/20, but she had to get bones/joints fixed because otherwise she would've been crippled. It was MANY YEARS before she figured out what helped her. In the american privatized crap care system (or Romneycare/Obamacare- same thing), you become broke because of this because of the costs not carried by the supposedly "good" private insurance system. This did not happen for her BECAUSE OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. Don't ignore the fact that if you or your family member had a condition that took years to treat before finding out a cure, you would be better off WITHOUT socialized medicine. It's so easy for you to say in hindsight, perhaps because you have socialized medicine now, or never had to go through the system (like my family has and almost faced bankruptcy!)
" His daughter wouldn't have been able to afford all of the surgeries for her condition if it were privatized ."
As far as I can tell she was able to eventually overcome her conditions through diet on her own volition, and whatever socialized medical treatments were done came at the expense of her health.
@GCarlinHe's not about working class because he's defending the idea that executives and higher ups make money because they produce more. That's why the right wing loves him, he defends this "american dream" (or what other variants exist around the world). "WORK HARD AND ONE DAY YOU WILL BE RICH TOO". Pfft, of course this happens- much like those who work hard to become famous singers do- but you hear about the successes and not much about the 100x (or more) of failures. Peterson is a dreamer, inspiration comes from him. But he doesn't address the elephant in the room- the economy has been skewed to benefit the banks/corporations more and more since the late 70s/early 80s. It's clear as day, did you know that the top income tax rate during the good times of the 50s and 60s were 2x higher than they are today? At the same time, taxes were lower on the working class. For every dollar saved by a working class person, they spend at least 75% on average. For every dollar saved by the rich, less than 50% is spent. According to capitalism, money in the pockets of the working class is BETTER for the economy, than to give tax breaks for the rich.
" Zizek is down to earth about working class conditions. Peterson is more about inspiration ."
I'm not so sure they are probably not that different. Where Peterson grew up he would well understand working class conditions and blue collars.
It also seems to me that Peterson is more 'famous' now because he is actually helping these same people rather than suppressing them, and you are right, he is inspiring many and that is not welcomed by others.
You're having a hard time keeping all of your griping straight. Socialism is a system where the government owns ALL property and means of production. Plus, it's an ideology. Capitalism isn't really an "-ism." It's not an ideology, but is a system where the means of production and property are privately owned. Socialism is a system where your individual worth is based on the group you belong to. Capitalism is where you are valued based on who you are and how you contribute.I'm talking about what's on the table in the USA- what Bernie Sanders and other socialists in Europe do. What the yellow vests in France are fighting back for after banker Macron tried to shift France away from Social Democracy.
Every one of your gripes about capitalism have nothing to do with pure capitalism. For instance, university tuition is high because government took over the loan market in that sector through regulation. Medical costs are high because people are hypochondriacs, providing massive demands on the system. Venezuela is failing because it ran out of people to steal from. Income taxes are not only unconstitutional, but a socialist style grab of one of the most sacred tenets of capitalism; my labor.How are these hypochondriacs magically not a drain in government/public run medicine systems? We pay more PER PERSON, counting everyone than western european countries. You can't tell someone who broke their leg that they should shop around for the best deal. They are a captive buyer, subject to the whims of the supply. In a private run system, there is a profit motive which in itself is not wrong, but if you are hurt in an accident are you able to negotiate a better deal?
Get a grip, quit griping and go clean your room. If you can get that right, you might have enough in you to help your grandma. Leave the -isms to other countries. Millions of immigrants are dying to get into the USA for a reason.
Get a grip, quit griping and go clean your room. If you can get that right, you might have enough in you to help your grandma. Leave the -isms to other countries. Millions of immigrants are dying to get into the USA for a reason.Stop being an authoritarian follower and thinking that everything can be changed by changing your own place. When I talk socialism, when Zizek explained it was similar, the idea of regulation. False prophets such as Peterson have a good meaning- self help, but ignore the REALITY.
His daughter wouldn't have been able to afford all of the surgeries for her condition if it were privatized.
Zizek is down to earth about working class conditions. Peterson is more about inspiration.