Society's Child

His 'sexual needs were his sexual needs': Twitter appalled by Barbra Streisand's comments on Michael Jackson pedophilia claims [Update]

RT
Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:36 UTC

Barbra Streisand has unleashed a firestorm of outrage for saying Michael Jackson's alleged molestation of boys "didn't kill them," and that Jackson's "sexual needs were his sexual needs."

Streisand's controversial statements appeared in an interview with the Times, where she was asked about the Leaving Neverland documentary in which Wade Robson and James Safechuck detail allegations of sexual abuse by Jackson.

The singer and actor said she "absolutely" believes the two men, but when asked how she reconciles the man she knew with the man described in the documentary, she said, "His sexual needs were his sexual needs, coming from whatever childhood he has or whatever DNA he has."

"You can say 'molested', but those children, as you heard say, they were thrilled to be there," she continued. "They both married and they both have children, so it didn't kill them."

Unsurprisingly, her comments ignited a tsunami of outrage and anger online, with many on Twitter accusing her of victim blaming and being ignorant about the effects of sexual abuse.

In the interview, Streisand went on to explain the "combination of feelings" she has, saying she felt bad for both the victims and Jackson, and blamed the parents for letting their children sleep with him.

Many Twitter users reacted with sheer bewilderment at her insensitivity to potential sexual abuse victims, and even her fans expressed disbelief that she would say such things. Others took a more light-hearted approach to the shocking statements.

Comment: Babs backtracks:

Barbra Streisand has apologized for her controversial comments about Michael Jackson's alleged abuse victims that ignited an outrage tsunami on Saturday.

The singer sparked anger when she said in an interview with the Times that while she "absolutely" believed Jackson's abuse accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the alleged molestation "didn't kill them," and that Jackson's "sexual needs were his sexual needs."

Streisand posted an apology on her website Saturday, writing she was "profoundly sorry for any pain or misunderstanding" she caused by not choosing her words more carefully, "because the words as printed do not reflect my true feelings."

"I didn't mean to dismiss the trauma these boys experienced in any way," she continued. "Like all survivors of sexual assault, they will have to carry this for the rest of their lives. I feel deep remorse and I hope that James and Wade know that I truly respect and admire them for speaking their truth."

Streisand's earlier comments saw her receive a deluge of criticism and mockery on social media; even the director of the Leaving Neverland documentary, Dan Reed, tweeted her over her remarks.

The singer also released a statement to Variety, in which she said, "To be crystal clear, there is no situation or circumstance where it is OK for the innocence of children to be taken advantage of by anyone."

She also walked back her comments about blaming the boy's parents. "It's clear that the parents of the two young men were also victimized and seduced by fame and fantasy."

Reader Comments

Eventide · 2019-03-23T20:19:30Z

Knowing Michael Jackson, she knew he wasn't a predator. His boundary issues were huge and stemmed from the lack of a normal childhood, and never being allowed to have a personal life distinct from the demands of his family and the adulation of the public. This is devastating to a developing personality, and caused him to want to fill that inner void in any way he could. It is important to have a nuanced view of human behavior. We all abhor pedophilia because it's predatory, and it's the predation that psychologically damages the child. Does that justify Michael Jackson's behavior with children? Not at all. He was an adult, and made choices about his behavior that were not socially acceptable. However, I, like Streisand, hope that those children, now grown, can also have compassion for Michael Jackson.

Eventide · 2019-03-23T20:26:31Z

Streisand was wrong to call it a sexual compulsion. It was, tragically, an attempt to use children to heal himself. If it veered into a form of sexuality, this was a result of his emotional confusion, not out of predation. It was not justifiable adult behavior, but also not predatory.

BluLiteDancing · 2019-03-24T02:25:30Z

“It was, tragically, an attempt to use the children to heal himself..”

What the actual Fuck?!

Are you a psychiatrist, no let me guess you’re psychic like the rest of the left. You have the self righteous ability to read minds, apply motive and thru osmosis know exactly what poor Michael was thinking.

I have rarely seen such moral abrogation, but when I do it is almost always without fail emanating from the left. It’s usually someone with a bleeding heart who imagines themselves virtuous when in fact more likely they are mentally ill.

smackman · 2019-03-24T04:25:58Z

BluLiteDancing I agree. Anyone condoning Jackson's actions is morally suspect. Pedophilia is just WRONG, period. There is NEVER an excuse for it, no matter how broken the perpetrator. Were Jackson alive, I bet he wouldn't be charged with anything - that right there would tell us just how far gone this world really is.

LindaMay · 2019-03-23T20:45:17Z

What 👃👃 jobs those 2

:lol:

Wash Rince SPINNERS Repeat

🙈

Joan · 2019-03-23T20:56:02Z

@iIsjarvi I think you have a knowledge deficit regarding the predatory nature of of Pedophilia abnd sexual offenses. I am posting two links presented by SOTT from psychologist Anna Salter

Note these interviews are very disturbing.

'Truth, Lies and Sex Offenders': Anna Salter's documentary on sexual predators

Comment: A warning to our readers: the content of the videos are graphic. Given the recent reports of sexual assault and pedophilia in Hollywood, it's obvious that sexual predation is an ongoing...

Also this interview

SOTT Focus:Behind the Headlines: Predators Among Us - Interview With Dr. Anna Salter

In December 2013, we spoke with Dr. Anna Salter on SOTT Talk Radio. Dr. Salter is a licensed clinical psychologist who received her Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology and Public Practice from Harvard...

I fail to understand why you think this was an attempt to heal himself.

Eventide · 2019-03-23T22:33:48Z

I'm trying to distinguish between behavior motivated by predatory drives and behavior motivated by other types of mental illness. The behavior may look similar, but the motivations count. Was there psychological wounding other than the disgust an adult feels at looking back on the behavior of a mentally ill adult? When I was little, a neighbor, an adult and a City Council member, would lure me and other neighborhood girls into his garage and begin squeezing on various parts of our bodies. I wasn't afraid of him. I felt sorry for him. I knew instinctively that he didn't mean us harm, and would just pull away from him as gently as I could and make up an excuse to go home. Did that experience harm me psychologically? No - because it wasn't predatory. I see Michael Jackson's behavior in much the same way. As adults, looking back, those kids can recognize how ill Michael Jackson must have been, and how vulnerable they were, but did the experience cause lasting harm? If not, it wasn't predatory. It wasn't pedophilia.

Joan · 2019-03-23T23:02:21Z

lsjarvi I question did you even viewed the links provided?

Sad, so much knowledge lost that you could have taken advantage of, but alas, seems to me bias wins out all the time.

Maybe look into yourself, inner conflict you never knew existed? Or then again you are of the persuasion, that pedophilia is a normal part of human existence (my assumption).

That in itself I find strange, when for thousands of years it was considered a taboo. If this was considered a normal human behavior why is there no documentation prior to the Roman Age, a free for all when is comes to the hegemonic practices of human behavior.

And it looks to me that history does repeat itself, because that is what we are living through at this present moment in time, the most base instincts of human behavior

Just my thoughts. .

LindaMay · 2019-03-24T03:06:19Z

ls... you're out to lunch 🙈

Mariama · 2019-03-24T06:54:08Z

lsjarvi If you were to look at this documentary and these two courageous men with an open mind, then maybe you could learn a thing or two.

For anybody interested dr. Stanton E. Samenow's book Inside the Criminal Mind devotes an entire chapter to the difference between mental illness and a criminal personality. Criminals are masters at playing people and are using mental illness and elaborate pity ploys to get away with murder. IMO the book describes Michael Jackson's predatory behaviour to a T.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T10:21:24Z

Mariama Yea, i agree. Michael Jackson was a manipulator who skillfully moved the two boys around his life to suit his own needs. He also moved the boys families around as and when needed, ultimately tearing them apart, and dropping them when no longer useful. That shows cunning, not mental retardation.

What i find stunning is, that he got away with it for so long, and his blatant liking for young boys was on display for the world to see. I guess people just switch off their critical faculties when starstruck?

There is the possibility that he was murdered to prevent a can of worms from being opened that would shine a light into a very dark place? I reckon that he was becoming a liability to some who inhabit a very disenchanted place?

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T11:42:23Z

Enough of the poor Michael Jackson this, and poor Michael Jackson that. What about the poor families he abused, and exploited their trust in the most despicable way? What about the poor boys lives he ruined, and soiled? What about the poor father of one of the boys who took his own life?...What about them, eh?

Eventide · 2019-03-24T12:44:56Z

Mariama I did look at it. They both indicated that they never feared Michael or felt that it was wrong. They feared the reaction of the public, and as adults, they fear the idea of their own child or any child being drawn into the sphere of someone that mentally ill. If Michael's behavior had been predatory, they would have feared HIM. They didn't, and they still don't.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T14:04:33Z

lsjarvi The more sophisticated predator will instill trust in their quarry. Granted, 2D predators are feared by their quarry. The eating of their flesh and skin is the outcome. This can also apply in 3D, like a serial killer for example. However, in 3D, the more skilled predator will not instill fear, as the outcome is the eating of the soul, and consciousness. Much like 4D does to 3D, only less subtle. Take a look at the families who were "chewed up and spat out", for an example of what i mean.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T15:57:56Z

graeme15b They instill trust up until they get the child where they want them. Then things change dramatically. Then there are threats.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T17:09:42Z

lsjarvi Exactly.

They feared the reaction of the public, and as adults, they fear the idea of their own child or any child being drawn into the sphere of someone that mentally ill.

Fearing the reaction of the public, can be seen as disassociation, and misdirection of the fear onto the wrong target, i.e, the public. So, he exploited his position as a star who was adored by millions, right? Didn't Michael Jackson tell them that they would both go to jail for life, should it get out? Isn't that manipulation of a minor so that it could continue, never mind the abuse?

They instill trust up until they get the child where they want them.

Exactly.

Then things change dramatically.

Exactly.

Then there are threats.

Exactly.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T18:17:32Z

graeme15b The threats of a predator are more along the lines of 'what I'm going to do to you or your family members if you tell anyone'. It's about exerting personal power over the child. What MJ told those two boys was honestly what he himself feared - public exposure of his compulsions.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T18:56:43Z

lsjarvi The threats of a predator can take many forms, not just the type you cite. For example, he told the two boys that they could end up in jail for life, should it all get out. Imagine the fear that conjured up in the 7 year olds? They would be removed from their families, and perhaps never see them again. That is horrific on its own, never mind the sexual abuse.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T19:16:57Z

lsjarvi

It's about exerting personal power over the child.

That is exactly what he did. The children were starstruck in the presence of probably at the time, the worlds most famous pop star. They wanted to be like him, and adored him. He abused that position knowing full well how they looked up to him. He promised them he could give them the world. He had them dangling on his every word. He used them for his own sexual gratification, them dropped them when no longer useful, until another accusation was made, then phoned them after several years, asking them to testify in his defense.

sbc ·

It's called coercion

· 2019-03-24T20:24:14Z

Eventide · 2019-03-24T21:44:16Z

graeme15b If he was a predator, would he have asked them to testify in his defense? What predator would do this? In MJ's pathetically childlike mind, they still loved him and he them, and that made everything OK. Maybe he imagined that the public would forgive him his transgressions if they witnessed how sincerely they cared for him.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T22:25:54Z

lsjarvi The sort of predator described in this article. He was asking them to lie. They were kids, and were no doubt, mixed up and confused. However, one of the boys refused, and said Michael Jackson is an evil person.

graeme15b · 2019-03-24T22:48:19Z

Also, he was only doing it for his own benefit. That he walked away from court, he was free to carry on with his nefarious activity with other minors. The boy who lied and defended him has to live with that as well.

Eventide · 2019-03-23T22:50:11Z

Think about it this way - what are people suffering from obsessive/compulsive illness attempting to do when they wash their hands multiple times, or count objects, or set things down in a particular way and in a particular place? They are trying to make the outer reality compensate for an inner void. Doing obsessive/compulsive things makes them feel whole rather than fragmented. We all do this to some extent. We have our objects in particular places, we fix our hair a certain way, we carry little talismans in the form of jewelry or cell phones. Why? Because we are pretty much all, to a certain extent, fragmented. If the fragmentation is extreme, the compensating behavior becomes equally extreme.

Predation is an entirely different motivation. The predator doesn't feel fragmented and weak, he feels powerful. A desire to experience this power + lack of empathy = predation.

Joan · 2019-03-23T23:19:09Z

lsjarvi Is this really a mental illness? Or just a psychopathic drive for manipulation, power and control, combined with a total lack of understanding of humanity, just seeing people as objects.

An object that can be manipulated and again coerced to obtain the ultimate goal and high, power and control (for the perpetrator) it is like the Ourborus forever eating it's own tail, never satiated.

Just my thought

Eventide · 2019-03-25T18:02:45Z

Joan It is (as far as I can see) a drive to meet his psychological needs. People can be very clever and determined to do what they think they have to do to meet their needs without being psychopathic. And what they do can be very wrong, and very harmful to others as well. Again, it is important to realize that there is a point in not confusing psychopathy with other forms of mental illness. You can't solve a problem/help a person unless you know what's motivating their behavior. That's why they say "It takes one to heal one." Understanding counts, but it can be arrived at through effort as well as personal experience.

Eventide · 2019-03-23T23:18:08Z

Michael Jackson was a mentally ill man, not a predator. Pedophilia is about predation. The predator preys on the weak and vulnerable in order to experience the energy high of having power over them and subjecting them to their will. The sexual experience is the icing on the cake, the reward for success, the proof of power.

Joan · 2019-03-23T23:29:57Z

lsjarvi So then again, if , and it is an assumption on my part, if you watched the Neverland Documentaries, Why would you think that Jackson was innocent. Seems to me the families were groomed just like the victims.

To my knowledge, there were two cases of allegations, that didn't go to court because the families were paid off and because of that payoff, they were not allowed to speak the truth.

BluLiteDancing · 2019-03-24T00:17:40Z

It’s interesting watching leftist reprobates “justify” raping and molesting children. If he wasn’t a predator, what was he? He knew what he was doing was wrong & immoral that’s why he swore those boys to secrecy. He also installed an alarm system in his hallway so he would know if someone was approaching his bedroom.

Let’s just say we replaced the name Michael Jackson with the name Donald Trump, would that make the person a predator? Your logic is strained but very telling.

Any grown up that inappropriately sexually touches a young child is a monster in my book. If I walked in on any man molesting my son or daughter, I would be compelled to murder that person on the spot. Sexual molestation is a crime worse than murder in my book for it steals the innocence away from a young child, the most vulnerable and weakest among us.

Joan · 2019-03-24T01:17:03Z

BluLiteDancing Any grown up that inappropriately sexually touches a young child is a monster in my book. If I walked in on any man molesting my son or daughter, I would be compelled to murder that person on the spot. Sexual molestation is a crime worse than murder in my book for it steals the innocence away from a young child, the most vulnerable and weakest among us.

Thanks for those words I have never had a living child, but, given the circumstances, I really think I would feel the same way.

Rowan Cocoan · 2019-03-24T00:19:24Z

I've not read all the comments nor watched the latest anti Michael Jackson flick. Didn't care for 'Thriller'; but did feel sorry for MJ even in my youth; as it seemed he was being deprived of one. (Such 'seemings' turned out to be worse tthan true.)

Tho I'm a big fan of nature/genes vs. nuture, etc.; there's no denying that the poor bastard was innately talented, and likewise had an upbringing that would screw up the most soundly based nature any human might have.

I have little respect for the vultures who lived off of his talents, like vultures* daily feeding off of Prometheus' regenerated liver.

R.C.

*I know the legend says 'eagles', but if you read Homer, you'll see he routinely characterizes vulltures as behaving like eagles and vice versa, so I take their ornithological declarations with more than a grain of salt.

RC

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T00:23:21Z

Anyone who thinks an adult male who goes to bed with 7 year old boys is not a pedophile is either mentally ill or corrupt to the point of mental illness.

"I see Michael Jackson's behavior in much the same way."

Because you're corrupt to the point of mental illness.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T03:09:20Z

I can understand the strong feelings here. I share them with regard to pedophilia, though I am concerned that harsh judgments are being made in this situation on the basis of superficial evidence. I still don't believe that MJ's motives were predatory. I might be wrong, but that's my reading of him.

LindaMay · 2019-03-24T14:17:49Z

harsh comments

ls... you are out to lunch!!

Ruth · 2019-03-24T05:36:11Z

Not the point. Pedophilia is illegal and celebrities shouldn't condone it, support it, engage in it, or make excuses for it. And they shouldn't expect people to ignore what they say about it either.

hobnob · 2019-03-24T07:25:43Z

Didn't read all the comments, but ultimately there are mentally delayed / "childlike" pedophiles, just like there are mentally delayed murderers, and the mental illness does not excuse the crime if it is that severe. But delving into how the illness led to those actions seems like a fair conversation, purely philosophically: it does seem to me he may not have realized he was being predatory.

Beyond that, I am always a little dumbfounded that Michael Jackson had number one singles past the 60s motown era. Given that and the air of immaturity he displayed in general, his actions should be as confusing to people as some metal, hip-hop or grunge artist turning out to be a criminal. But hey, no accounting for no I don't get it

BluLiteDancing · 2019-03-24T09:46:32Z

“he may not have understood he was being predatory..?” He swore those boys to secrecy. He built a specific silent trip wire system in his long hallway to his bedroom alerting him if someone was coming. That’s shows great fore thought, planning and manipulation.

Since when do we now consider “intent,” oddly only since Comey malevolently changed the statute to allow Clinton to walk. When you get a speeding ticket for driving 80 in a 45, does the officer ask you about your “intent” before issuing your summons?

Eventide · 2019-03-24T13:03:51Z

BluLiteDancing He knew that his compulsive behavior was not socially acceptable, and could get him into very hot water. An analogy: Have you read about adults who still suck their thumb? It's a thing. Will the adult do this in public? No, because he/she understands that this is infantile behavior and not socially acceptable. Will he understand why it's a compulsion? Probably not. Undoubtedly, it was in response to extreme emotional trauma now lost to memory. And now it's how they manage stress, and the thumb slips in there at night or when he is sure he won't be observed. The compulsion remains. The shame remains.

Is it important to be able to discriminate between compulsive, mentally ill behavior and predation? I believe it is. Decide for yourself.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T19:44:27Z

A childlike person is not capable of being a predator, but that's not to say he/she isn't capable of doing great harm. Have you ever watched the Twilight Zone episode about the mentally-challenged boy who ran away from his group home to the circus? Can't remember the name of it, but it was well-written and acted. A philandering magician's assistant/wife tries to manipulate the boy, but pays the ultimate price when the boy ends up killing both her and her magician husband out of misguided intentions and overly-concrete beliefs about the powers of a magician.

MJ wasn't challenged intellectually, but he was psychologically damaged. He likely rationalized his actions in some sort of childish fashion - he was 'sharing his love' or some such rot - but he still knew the public wouldn't agree with his interpretation of the situation.

I'm dumfounded that he had number one singles in the 60s! "I want you back" causes me to wince just thinking about it!

hobnob · 2019-03-25T06:43:13Z

"I'm dumfounded that he had number one singles in the 60s! "I want you back" causes me to wince just thinking about it! "

Ha! That's good. If you hear any pop song too often I am sure anyone would become exhausted by the repetition. Except for I Want You Back!

(No, that one too.)

"That’s shows great fore thought, planning and manipulation. "

You're right. I actually don't know too much about what he did, I am mostly speaking from some dim understanding about depraved celebrity culture. Jackson was thrust into that, it probably confused him from a very young age, and the chance is greater than zero that he's better than others due to ignorance, although this doesn't call for anyone's compassion or some nonsense. Was he out to hurt other people, or was he brought up to think this sort of thing is the way to satisfy his urges?To some extent it is the environment. But as of now the organization behind Neverland ranch and all that's been exposed makes me think maybe he was just jealous of the other celebrities. Criminals might be like children, lacking prudential thinking or control over base emotions, but their intent has no bearing on how much I despise what they do. Pedos like Jackson deserve the death penalty, assuming the evidence is clear.

Eventide · 2019-03-25T11:14:49Z

hobnyeba It wasn't the repetition, it was his screechy, child's voice. Like fingernails on a chalkboard to me!

hobnob · 2019-03-25T14:49:26Z

lsjarvi Oh yes, I recall avoiding Frankie Lymon's two songs for the same reason. They're pretty great songs, though. "Why do birds sing so gay?"

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T10:10:36Z

"I still don't believe that MJ's motives were predatory. I might be wrong, but that's my reading of him."

That's because you've been corrupted by Michael Jackson. If you're unable to see that, then you're definitely not fit to be a parent, and possibly not fit to be around children.

Whenever you see people defending this creep, you also see the continuing machinations of MJ's vom-inducing industrial-sized big lie predator-baroque architecture speaking through them.

Sickening..

Eventide · 2019-03-24T13:05:51Z

Highland Fleet Lute Interesting how you leap to blame, HFL. You destroy your own capacity to understand.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T13:19:43Z

lsjarvi Oh I understand you perfectly well: Ponerised pedophile apologist creep scum.

LindaMay ·

lute

· 2019-03-24T14:11:56Z

slbeaudry · 2019-03-25T14:29:21Z

Highland Fleet Lute spot on

Hugh Mann · 2019-03-24T13:03:49Z

Just one Hollywood freak trying to protect another. There's no amount of rationalization that is going to justify molesting a child. None!

Eventide · 2019-03-24T13:32:19Z

Hugh Mann I agree. There is no justification for such behavior, but it is not rationalizing it away to refuse to always tar it with the same brush! The lack of psychological sophistication in this culture is worrisome to me. How can we understand ourselves and others, and respond appropriately to the rapidly increasing mental illness in our society, if we can't develop a more nuanced view of human behavior? A true predator must be isolated from other human beings. A mentally ill person can be helped, though it's quite possible that Michael Jackson was beyond help. His disfigurement of himself certainly pointed to extreme self-loathing, and his ability to escape from himself and into his art was diminishing with age. He was, by all evidence, doomed, and this is a lesson to us all in the costs of fame to an emotionally-fragile person that stands beside Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, and far too many others. Who are the real predators in this? Maybe we don't want to look at that. We want to superficially tar his behavior with the same brush that we use on predators. 'Let's all blame Michael! Michael was bad! We must save children from predators like Michael!' People understand nothing about predation if they show themselves to be content with such superficial 'understanding.'

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T13:51:21Z

lsjarvi Of course, you can extend such 'understanding' to Jack The Ripper, Charles Manson, Pol Pot, and whoever else, if you want, but as your own 'understanding' sick f*ckery is limited by a perverted loyalty to the pedophile Michael Jackson, that'll have to do I guess.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T14:59:45Z

Highland Fleet Lute Hard to have a discussion with someone who wants/needs to make everything personal/judgmental. I have no 'loyalty' to Michael Jackson. He's merely an example that can be used to explain why it's important to distinguish between motives - to try to understand what is driving behavior. I think this is important when we're talking about pedophilia (a type of predation equivalent to torture or murder, in my book) vs mental illness (compulsive behavior that may or may not harm others). I'm not disturbed by your comments - they are expectable from what I've seen from you before - but you are as off base as a person can be. Maybe you like it that way. If so, forge ahead, but know that the price to yourself for leaping to extreme assumptions and accusations is pretty large. It shuts down your thinking.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T17:52:22Z

lsjarvi The well-worn 'oh-you're-so-judgmental' meme has been the perennial accusing-the-accusors defence strategy of pedophiles and pedo-apologists like you a very long time now.

The amount of waffle you've wasted here making excuses for this monster does not provide you with a smokescreen, on the contrary, it highlights and confirms your psychopathy.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T18:06:03Z

Highland Fleet Lute I begin to suspect that you have an agenda to simplify debate and cause polarization.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T18:21:55Z

lsjarvi You should go and hand yourself into the nearest police station.

BluLiteDancing · 2019-03-25T02:15:30Z

There is no need to impugn discuss nor rationalize “motives,” the motive is irrelevant. What on god’s green earth does motive or intent have to do with a criminal act? How in the hell can you make such pronouncements about MJ’s psychological disposition? I ask again; are you a psychiatrist, a medical doctor or a behavioral therapist? How can you deduce MJ’s motivation? He is clearly an adult. He is clearly manipulating both the young boys and their families. He is clearly lying. He is clearly using his super star status to seduce, manipulate & prey on these young boys for his own sexual pleasure. You have spent this entire thread rationalizing that MJ is not a predator because of his psychological make up. Are you qualified to make such an evaluation?

There is no debate...Michael Jackson used his power & $ as a “super star” to prey on these young boys sexually. In the free world people commonly refer to this behavior as paedophillic & predatory. The fact you will not yield...makes your YOUR motives suspect.

LindaMay · 2019-03-25T02:24:28Z

Creepy if you ask me Blu

Eventide · 2019-03-25T11:39:12Z

BluLiteDancing And herein is the problem. Thanks for expressing it so succinctly! Modern human beings want to make motive irrelevant because it complicates things. They don't want to understand, they want to analyze and do! They want to think everything's on the surface and can be responded to instrumentally. As a result, we and our world are together becoming increasingly dysfunctional. We increasingly consider no history or future, have no ability or desire to look beneath the surface of anything. This whole "Ugly American" society, not to mention our environment, is coming undone precisely because analyzing and doing aren't adequate. We have to make the effort to understand what's going on behind the things that are dangling in front of our eyeballs. It really is important.

LindaMay · 2019-03-25T13:14:32Z

Ugly American Society lsjarvi! You sure are doing your best.

We have to make an effort to figure out what is going on behind the ..... ls! You re a politician 100% (the most dangerous sort) ... yakyakyakyakyak

Talk about FINGERNAILS SCREECHING UP THE B L A C K B O A R D!

slbeaudry · 2019-03-25T14:31:42Z

lsjarvi You are sick. Seek help

Eventide · 2019-03-25T16:30:53Z

Highland Fleet Lute Case in point.

Hugh Mann · 2019-03-24T13:16:13Z

A self proclaimed insider claims pedophilia is so rampant in Hollywood, that if the truth ever came out the masses would rise up and murder everyone in the industry.

[Link]

Eventide · 2019-03-24T16:20:10Z

Hugh Mann I fear that predatory behavior is the price of admission to inner circles there as well as in national-level politics. In both cases, you are in the business of promoting lies and distractions, and you have owners/directors who want to have something to threaten you with in case you fail to play your assigned role.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T13:32:10Z

I think the sick dupes that make these "Michael is Innocent!!!!" videos for YouTube should all be placed on FBI pedo-watch lists.

LindaMay · 2019-03-24T14:15:20Z

I cant believe how many words are being invested in such INFECTED FILTH

(Talk about R.O.I. i.e. bankruptcy)

Ragnar · 2019-03-24T16:28:41Z

This crazy woman's words gives us a look inside the warped mind of a true globalist. They'd happily allow their children to be raped just as they want to murder 98% of the worlds population. All for the "noble" desire of advancing the one world governments authoritarian plot to subjugate and dominate the planet. So many people have been deluded by the propaganda, it's unfortunate and there's only one way to deal with them...

Eventide · 2019-03-24T17:41:14Z

Ragnar Barbara Streisand is not a deep thinker. If she's an ideologue, she's only capable of parroting what she's heard. What her comments reveal is that there is a very real attempt being made to normalize pedophilic behavior. She thought she could get away with saying that Michael's behavior was nothing more than an expression of his sexuality. It's heartening to see how strong the pushback was. I hope this revulsion continues and strengthens!

LindaMay ·

Barb is out to lunch

· 2019-03-24T18:06:26Z

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T18:14:35Z

lsjarvi About 22 hours ago, you said....

"Knowing Michael Jackson, she knew he wasn't a predator."

"It is important to have a nuanced view of human behavior."

"However, I, like Streisand, hope that those children, now grown, can also have compassion for Michael Jackson."

29 minutes ago, you said....

"It's heartening to see how strong the pushback was. I hope this revulsion continues and strengthens!"

Do you not see the bizarre mess of your head in the contradictory bullshittery of your own statements???

Eventide · 2019-03-24T19:57:40Z

Highland Fleet Lute It's not contradictory. I can look at a person and say (right or wrong) that he/she is not a predator without defending either their actions or predation in general. I'm very concerned that true predation not be normalized. I'm also very concerned that mental illness not be called predation if it isn't. We can't understand predatory impulses, or deal with them appropriately, if we don't sort this out! There are predators in this society that are being handed top jobs and being given free reign over the public mind via media, and there are mentally ill people living on the streets and having their needs ignored! We are literally clueless about what is necessary if we can't begin to parse this stuff out!

Eventide · 2019-03-24T20:35:22Z

Highland Fleet Lute I didn't mean to suggest that MJ's behavior WAS pedophilic, just that Barbara Streisand was parroting and exposing a sick perspective that is being implanted in the public mind in an attempt to normalize pedophilia. It's good that so many people are morally revolted by it. Perhaps a growing awareness of, and backlash against, this insidious idea is one of the positive take-aways from public analysis of what MJ did and why he did it. I don't believe at this point that any more can be learned from it. It's too emotional of an issue.

globalgrrl · 2019-03-24T18:31:47Z

I am unsurprised that Babs is defending MJ. She knows how prevalent pedophilia is among Hollywood's elite - no doubt she was quite the whore in the 50's and 60's which netted her super-stardom. I am sure in her head pedophilia is "normal". Plus she belongs to a religion that is unabashed in its degradation of children, from 3 yr old brides to rabbis sucking the blood off of the genitals of circumcised babies. Babs herself is mentally ill, and people would do well to pay her no mind forever more.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-03-24T19:21:26Z

S*ck f*ck Diana Ross defends child-snatcher Michael Jackson...[Link]

sbc · 2019-03-24T20:21:54Z

Anyone who has bought into the whole gender identity scam is a fruit loop if they disapprove of Michael Jackson. I disapprove of it all. Pedophilia is just another gender or sexual identity it's being argued. That is all your fault!! Own it.

Eventide · 2019-03-24T21:03:35Z

sbc Yep. It's already a deep hole, and the egalitarian-addled continue digging, hoping their gold-plated shovels will succeed in magically transforming equality of opportunity into equality of outcome. 'Everything's the same!', they cry. "Whatever you believe or want is instantly true and rightfully yours!" And their words echo off the pit's walls into their ears, and their shovels gleam, and they redouble their efforts. Meanwhile, the pit gets deeper.

LindaMay · 2019-03-24T23:46:20Z

Keep diggin' peeps keep diggin peep's

you're nuts

Eventide · 2019-03-25T01:42:31Z

LindaMay The proof's in the pudding. We'll see who's nuts.

LindaMay · 2019-03-25T02:22:04Z

Well ls... you sure have a jumbo pudding batch going on and that s no understatement. FFS!!

Woodsman · 2019-03-25T09:42:31Z

A high profile case like MJ's, with its soft edges and fuel for 'reasonable' arguments and up front sympathy from the malleable Left is just the thing if you're trying to sell an entire species down the nihilism hole.

That Overton Window is so far over today, it's next door! (On the creepy neighbor's house).

Eventide ·

Woodsman

· 2019-03-25T12:39:55Z

Eventide · 2019-03-25T13:04:42Z

Woodsman The "Overton Window" is constantly shrinking. It's time to grow it again. It's interesting to see that it's the so-called "liberals" who most actively protect the window from expanding in any way of which they disapprove. This is a problem for them, as they belie their preferred public image when they prove to be the most controlling of whether and how narrative changes. People soon figure out that they're just garden-variety, self-promoting, superficial Americans rather than the custodians of the shining City on the Hill that they claim to be.

Credible, applicable judgment does not belong to anyone on the basis of political bias, and it isn't lying around on surfaces to be snatched up by any passerby or pre-digested by MSNBC. It is forged out of careful, honest observation of oneself and one's world, and a refusal to accept superficial evidence as definitive.

BluLiteDancing · 2019-03-25T16:04:40Z

the fact that you want to expand the “Overton Window” in reference to pedophilia is very telling...

I have a different view. Widening the debate about boundaries, mental illness, sexual degeneracy and preference is regressive and in many respects repulsive. Sexual degenerates are actively trying to fold children into the adult equation in every way possible as we speak. The sexualization of our children is not open for debate. The homosexual Luciferian occultic community is actively working on destroying heteronormative sexual interpretations of the world. It started with Alfred Kinsey who idealized Aleister Crowley and was a pedophile himself. Next the gay rights movement and getting homosexuality delisted off the DSM as NOT a mental illness but not from any scientific method but by brute force, guile(president of the APA closeted homosexual) and threats. Next destroying the concept of marriage with Obama a flamer himself. Next the destruction of words thru compelled speech and the transgender movement and now onto normalization of paedophillia and 10 year old drag queens...

No, the Overton Window does not need expanding...What we need is less overt lying & propaganda from the Fabian Socialists and postmodernists that’s what we really need.

Eventide · 2019-03-25T16:58:35Z

BluLiteDancing You are being dishonest. I have said nothing in defense of pedophilia and you know it, nor am I advocating expansion of the Overton Window with any purpose in mind other than to deepen conversation past the most superficial, media-and-politics-defined levels. Maintain some integrity with regard to your comments, please.

I do share your concerns about the deterioration of our society, but the forces you describe work in the dark, not the light of day. Not expanding the Overton Window means that the narrative stays at a level that keeps those forces safe to do their work in the dark where they get no scrutiny, and they can control influential people who's motives (whether predatory or otherwise psychologically compromised) you apparently don't see the point of understanding. Bringing the conversation into the open means we hear things we don't want to hear, but people actually become informed and can make judgments. There is never any guarantee that the judgments will benefit humanity, it's true, but at least there's a chance.

sleepercell · 2019-03-25T20:24:34Z

I've been in disbelief for years that radio stations still play his music. None of this is new information. I can't stand to even hear his voice. The Lord did a good deed by overdosing that sick fuck.

LindaMay ·

· 2019-03-26T02:02:47Z

:O What is it that is affecting people's brains these days?

ReRan

''...containing fake images of myself superimposed on other people,...'' Where ? Some of them have to be funny.

Demore

Nothing new in that article.

Demore

"the Netanyahu government did not even need this US exhortation; it would have ignored the resolution anyway." Some awfully big egos playing the...

ReRan

I sure wish the geography teacher I had in grade 10 had had the hots for me.

Demore

Society's Child

His 'sexual needs were his sexual needs': Twitter appalled by Barbra Streisand's comments on Michael Jackson pedophilia claims [Update]

Reader Comments

'Truth, Lies and Sex Offenders': Anna Salter's documentary on sexual predators

SOTT Focus:Behind the Headlines: Predators Among Us - Interview With Dr. Anna Salter

Latest News

Picture of the Day

Quote of the Day

Recent Comments

Quantum Quirk