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If you believe pharmaceutical corporations hold the health of the general public in high regard, it's time to reconsider. The industry is filled with examples of wrongful death, extortion, fraud, corruption, obstruction of justice, embezzlement, fake journals, harassment and hit lists that would make even the most hardened Mafia godfather blush. This week on the Health and Wellness show, we take a close look into the atrocities perpetrated on the public by this massive, psychopathic industry and emphasize alternatives to being another brick in the pharmaceutical pyramid. As always, we'll feature Zoya's Pet Health Segment.

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Jonathan: Welcome everybody, today is July 31st 2015, my name is Jonathan and I'll be your host for today, and joining me in our virtual studio from all over the planet are Doug, Erika and Tiffany, unfortunately Gaby can't be with us today, so we'll miss her.

Today our topic is the Medical Mafia. So we're going to be talking about how the medical establishment uses mob techniques to achieve their ends.

If you believe that pharmaceutical corporations hold the health of the general public in high regard, then it is time to reconsider that opinion.

So we're going to go over examples of wrongful death, extortion, fraud, corruption, obstruction of justice and a bunch of other Mafia tactics that the medical establishment is using.

So let's start off with a little bit of connecting the dot here to begin with, we have an article here, Erika do you want to tell us a bit about the Harvard trained immunologist?

Erika: Yes definitely. So in April of 2015 the State of the Nation carried an open letter by a PhD immunologist named Tetyana Obukhanych, and basically this was in response to the passage of the California legislation SB-277, where all children attending public schools would be receiving mandatory vaccinations to be eligible for education.

This actually a great article, because she comes out and just demolishes the legislative initiative to remove all vaccine exemptions, and she calls is draconian and basically a cynical state statute.

I'm not going to go through and read the letter, but I want to point out some of the things that she shared in the letter.

She obviously has a lot of history with immunology, being a PhD, she wrote a book called "Vaccine Illusion", she also offers online classes for people who are interested in gaining a deeper understanding of how the immune system works.

Basically she wrote an open letter to the legislators, and she addressed some important topics in the letter, and I just want to read briefly here what she wrote in her introduction, it says:
"It is often stated that those who choose not to vaccinate their children for reasons of conscience endanger the rest of the public, and this is the rationale behind most of the legislation to end vaccine exemptions currently being considered by federal and state legislators country-wide. You should be aware that the nature of protection afforded by many modern vaccines - and that includes most of the vaccines recommended by the CDC for children - is not consistent with such a statement. I have outlined below the recommended vaccines that cannot prevent transmission of disease either because they are not designed to prevent the transmission of infection (rather, they are intended to prevent disease symptoms), or because they are for non-communicable diseases. People who have not received the vaccines mentioned below pose no higher threat to the general public than those who have, implying that discrimination against non-immunized children in a public school setting may not be warranted."
And then she list four vaccines: one is the IPV, the Inactivated Polio Virus vaccine, Tetanus (which is not a contagious disease), and the acellular pertussis vaccine that's actually part of the DTaP, the Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis vaccine. The numerous types of H-influenza B, so influenza B, which is part of the HIB vaccine, which is hepatitis B. And one thing that she says that is really important about hepatitis B is that it's a blood borne virus and it does not spread in the community setting, especially among children, who are unlikely to engage in high risk behaviours such as needle sharing or sex.

In summary, a person who is not vaccinated with IPV, DTap, HepB and HIB vaccines due to reasons of conscience pose no extra danger to the public than a person who is, no discrimination is warranted. The information that she gives in the letter is very telling, and at the end of the article she gives all this supportive reference material to back up her claims.

So I just think it's a great article for people who want to share this information, who don't want to have the back and forth debate, you just say check this out and then come back and we'll discuss it then.

One thing that's really interesting about the hepatitis B vaccine is the minute a baby is born; it's the first vaccine they give, so pretty scary stuff.

Doug: Unbelievable, it would be nice if people actually did read this stuff, give them this article and say come back, well, good luck with that.

Tiffany: Yeah I think this article, like so many articles about vaccines are preaching to the choir, though I applaud her for actually putting it out there, but what's the chance it's actually going to change any of these legislators minds, bought and paid for by big Pharma, but it's a good article anyway, and I think everybody should read it, who is interested anyway.

Doug: Yeah I agree, that's just the thing it's an open letter, but are any of the people that it is addressed to actually going to read it.

Tiffany: Yeah, they'll probably just label her as a quack and move on.

Doug: Yeah exactly!

Jonathan: It seems like part of the kind of group think that's been established around vaccinations, like you said, even if somebody is trained, in the public eye what sort of higher badge of credibility can you have than being Harvard trained. Personally it doesn't make that much difference to me but in the general perception that's a pretty high badge of honour. Sure as soon as they kind of speak out against the public consensus then, they just must be crazy, or she must be doing some drugs on the side or something.

Doug: Exactly. Yeah, the media smear campaign as been so effective, people actually just refuse to use their brain cells to think about this sort of thing, they've been told how they're supposed to think about this and so they will, and any excuse that comes up as to why the information they're being given is not true, or not even worth listening to, supersedes any ability to actually think and do any kind of research, the media said this and therefore that's what I think, they don't think that they're doing that but that is exactly what they're doing.

Erika: Yeah and basically coming with any sort of documented information, it's like we're just going to just disregard that and we're going to move on to, you know, you've got to protect the community and you have to sacrifice your right to choose and your informed consent for the benefit of the masses.

Tiffany: What was that study where they tried to present people with an opposing view to the view that they already held, and it actually activated the pain centres in their brain. So it kind of makes their brains hurt to think outside of the box. Well, anyways I think that's what we're facing here, the lines are being drawn so firmly in the sand now, like unless you're already on the anti-vaccine side, the chances of you crossing over to that side I think is just getting lower and lower.

Doug: Yeah I think that's true, although I don't remember a lot of the details of that study, but it had something to do with political candidates. If they are presented with information about a political candidate that they supported, then it caused a pain receptor in their brain to activate, and I remember the their conclusion was that it actually made people more entrenched in their beliefs, rather than taking on that new information. So it's like their brain was trying so hard not to have to deal with this pain that it just bolstered their already held previous beliefs. It's so depressing when you think about it, the idea that there is so little possibility of actually changing somebody's mind when they're really firmly established in their beliefs.

Jonathan: Speaking of generally held beliefs, it may be hard for people to wrap their head around essential oils making a difference in brain injury, but we have some data on that, Doug do you want to go over that?

Doug: Yeah sure, it's funny just a little anecdotal aside here, I remember, it was a while ago, when I was still in the cooking industry and I was looking for ways to kind of expand cooking beyond just taste and I was talking to a friend about it and I thinking about maybe studying some aromatherapy, seeing if I could incorporate some of those techniques. And he was just like, aromatherapy, are you kidding me? It's kind of like this widely held view on it, it's kind of like this flaky new age thing, oh yeah aromatherapy, let's light up some incense and it's going to cure all our problems.

There was a couple of articles printed on SOTT recently in the health and wellness section, that talked about essential oils, and I found them extremely enlightening, I didn't realise essential oils were as powerful as these articles are showing. The first one is called Essential Oils and Brain Injuries; What You Are Not Being Told, and it was published on July 13th, 2015, originally by the site by Anya V, and she talks about how the sense of smell is ties to limbic area of the brain, which considered to be the emotional centre.

Our other four senses, taste, sight, touch and hearing are first routed through the thalamus before reaching designated areas of the brain. Because the limbic system is directly connected to part of the brain that control heart rate, blood pressure, breathing, memory, stress levels and hormone balance, therapeutic essential oils can have unbelievable physiological and psychological effects.

She talks about how essential oils have a therapeutic stimulating, calming, sedative and balancing properties. When we inhale essential oil molecules they travel up through the nasal passage through a receptor neuron that transports it up to the limbic brain, especially the hypothalamus.

She talks about studies performed in Vienna and Berlin at the universities there, and that researchers discovered particles called sesquiterpenes, which are natural compounds found in essential oils including things like vetiver, Patchouli, Cedarwood, Sandalwood and Frankincense.

Those are the ones that they looked into, but also you find them in Melissa, Myrrh and Clove and they can increase levels of oxygen in the brain by up to 28% and an increase in brain oxygen can lead to a heightened level of activity of the hypothalamus and the limbic system, and, can have dramatic effects, not only on emotions and but on learning, attitude and many physiological processes of the body, including immune function, hormone balance and energy levels.

She talks about how you can do inhalation through diffusion, you can get these little diffusers, essential oil diffusers that basically just heat the essential oil and diffuse those particles into the air, and breathe it in that way.

You can actually apply the essential oils too, and you get the smell of them through the nose, but also you're getting them through the skin, or you could even just smell them directly from the bottle.

It's a pretty unexplored area, there are people out there doing research on it, but it has yet to get the recognition it deserves.

One study she talks about was focussed on the essential oil frankincense, and specifically looking at it in terms of brain injury. So frankincense works by oxygenation of the blood going to the brain. This in turn will aid in oxygenation absorption and when oxygen is absorbed effectively it allows the brain to process and retain information, heal and function correctly.

She points out that these sesquiterpenes are actually able to cross the blood/brain barrier, stimulate the limbic system of the brain, and other glands within the brain, promoting memory and releasing emotions.

So the research from the university of Vienna and Berlin found sesquiterpenes increase oxygenation around the pineal gland and the pituitary. The bottom line is that essential oils can penetrate not only the blood/brain barrier, but they can also penetrate the skin, follow nerve pathways, follow meridians and provide healing and balance at the cellular level.

There's another article as well, that was published last month, June 18th, 2015, by Joe Battaglia called Essential Oils that Stop Cancer in its Tracks, originally published in preventative disease. He said that scientists now recognise the powerful agents that exist within some essential oils, which stops cancer spreading, which induces cancerous cells to close themselves down.

It's interesting because he actually goes into the frequency of essential oils and it's a very interesting look at things, it kind of gets into the whole Rife technology type thing, he doesn't mention that but you know the whole use of frequency as a means of healing, also in homeopathy it works, it's not really established how homeopathy works but there's a good chance that it works via frequency as well.

He says that a healthy body from head to foot typically has a frequency ranging from 62 to 78 MHz, while disease begins at 58 Mhz. During some testing of the frequency of essential oils, it was measured that holding a cup of coffee dropped one mans frequency from 66 MHz to 58 MHz in just three seconds and it took three days for his frequency to return to normal.

Other studies show that negative thoughts lower our frequency an average of 12 MHz and positive thoughts raise our frequency an average of 10 MHz.

He says studying popular essential oils in current use such as mint, ginger, lemon, grapefruit, jasmine, lavender, chamomile, thyme, rose and cinnamon, cancer scientists have discovered how these oils may combat cancer. They tested the antibacterial potency in vitro and the toxicology against human cancer cell lines.

He talks about the machine they're using to do it and it's called the Calibrated Frequency Monitor or CFM, and they've been using it to test the frequency of these essential oils. One of the researchers says cancer starts when DNA code within the cell's nucleus becomes corrupted. It seems some essential oils have a reset function, it can tell the cell what the right DNA code should be.

Both these articles actually emphasize that you need to be using 100% pure therapeutic grade quality essential oils. Apparently there's a lot of essential oils out there that use things like alcohol and have a bunch of other constituents in them and all you're doing is kind of diluting the potency of these things, you don't want to be using things that aren't the therapeutic grade or you're probably not going to get the results that you are looking for.

The author talks about another MD named Robert O. Becker who wrote a book called The Body Electric and he validates that the human body has electrical frequency. Nicola Tesla said that if you could eliminate certain outside frequencies that interfere within our bodies, that we would have greater resistance towards disease.

So therapeutic grade essential oils begin at 52 MHz and can go as high as 320 MHz. So rose is 320, frankincense is 147, lavender is 118, myrrh is 105, he lists a bunch of different ones here and what their different frequencies are. So by using these frequencies, you're introducing that frequency into the body and can actually raise your own frequency so you're no longer at the level of disease.

Cancer cells are mainly destroyed by cinnamon, thyme, chamomile and jasmine oils, chamomile killing up to 90% of them in vitro. Even more effective was thyme oil, which lead to a 97% kill rate.

Another study published in the Journal of Industrial Crops and Products found that chamomile oil harnesses power antioxidant properties. They looked at eleven different essential oils including lavender, thyme, winter savoury, sweet fennel, they found that roman chamomile had the highest antioxidant activity, and frankincense oil, once again is the cancer killer.

The author states frankincense separates the brain of the cancerous cell, the nucleolus from the body, the cytoplasm and closes down the nucleus to stop it reproducing corrupted DNA codes. Frankincense oil is effective because it contains monoterpenes, compounds which have the ability to help eradicate cancerous cells at the onset of their development.

Apparently there are 17 different active agents in frankincense oil that will combat cancer.

Tiffany: Is frankincense also known as boswellia?

Doug: Yeah, that's right, it's the same one. And people will take boswellia capsules to lower inflammation, so there's a lot of activity in that herb for sure.

Tiffany: So when you want to use it in your food, how are you thinking of approaching that, because it's not just taste when it comes to food, it's also a smell sensation too, so what was your plan?

Doug: I didn't really have a plan, it was something I was thinking of looking into and I just didn't really ever kind of get there. I don't know, it was something I was looking at, senses beyond taste as far as food goes. Just the spices and herbs you are using will have that kind of effect as well, but no I never got to the point of actually using essential oils in cooking.

There is an issue too about which essential oils are actually consumable, which ones you can actually eat, I know a lot of the ones that you can buy in health food stores will say not for consumption, I don't know if that's because they haven't been certified on some way or if there is any danger in using them. To get edible grade essential oils you need to get the cream of the crop, you can find them but they are very expensive and they're a little bit trickier to find.

Tiffany: If you want to create a certain atmosphere for your meals, so if you want a romantic meal or something, you could diffuse some essential oils on the table while you're eating.

Doug: You can even put a drop or two in a candle or something like that, it diffuses it as well.

Jonathan: That reminds me of a technique I saw in a documentary where there was a chef who put air that was infused with the scent of pine needles into a pillow and then would poke tiny little holes in the pillow and put the plate on top of the pillow, so over he course of the meal it would deflate the pillow and kind of envelope the person at the table with the smell.

Erika: You see that with lavender a lot now, lavender infused honey, lavender infused sauces, I don't know if they are using the essential oil or the actual flowers but it seems to be a very popular essential oil to be putting in food is lavender.

Jonathan: So let's hop into our topic, today what we're going to be taking about is the medical mafia and how they operate very similar to organised crime. Part of what inspired this topic was this guy Peter Gøtzsche.He graduated as a Master of Science and Biology and Chemistry in 1974 and as a physician in 1984, he's an internal medicine specialist, worked with clinical trials and regulatory affairs in the drug industry 1975-1983, and in Copenhagen from 1984-1995.

So he's pretty credentialed, he's had more than 70 papers published in the big 5 medical journals and his works have been cited over 15000 times. So he's really established in the medical industry and he wrote this book called "Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime". A quote from that book:

Our prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer in the United States and Europe, around half of those who die have taken their drugs correctly, the other half because of errors, such as too high of a dose or use of a drug despite contraindications. Our drug agencies are not particularly helpful as they rely on fake fixes, which are a long list of warnings, precautions and contraindications for each drug, although they know that no doctor can possibly master all of these.

Major reasons for the many drug deaths are impotent drug regulation, widespread crime that includes corruption of the scientific evidence about drugs and bribery of doctors, and lies in drug marketing.

So Gøtzsche is trying get this idea out there that medical industry is acting as an organised crime syndicate, which I think we see a lot of, this is not necessarily just an analogy or something that we might draw comparison to as like a metaphor, this is actually how they operate. We can see from this article on SOTT that's about Gøtzsche's book, during testimony in an Australian class action case emails between Merck employees presented labels such as neutralized or discredit next to doctors names who criticized the drug Vioxx. One email said we may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live, even worse were allegations of Merck damage control by intimidation, this has happened to at least eight clinical investigators.

This guy James F. Fries, professor of medicine at Stanford says, I suppose I was mildly threatened myself but I have never spoken or written on these issues.

So there's a lot of things that have gone on in the industry here that are not just shady corporate practises, they come right down to out and out intimidation. The same way the Mafia would come in, and I think most people, even if you are just familiar with American films on the topic, the tactic is to go to a small business late at night, smash the windows, break in and destroy everything and then come back the next day and say, well looks like there's dangerous people around here, you might need our protection. So it's X dollars a month to protect you, even though they're the ones who caused all the damage. The medical industry operates much the same way.

Tiffany: (Inaudible) vaccines at birth and shoot you up and then come back afterwards and say, well you have this sickness, let's give you this and we'll protect you.

Doug: Exactly. What's clear with it is just the length that they will go to, to get their drugs on the market and being sold by doctors, despite that this is based, most of the time, on doctored evidence and doctored safety studies, these kind of things. The end game of making money, having another blockbuster drug is the thing that's needed in their eyes, and screw the public, screw the harm that it's going to do, we have to use any kind of underhanded method to get this stuff out there.

Erika: Yeah, there was a great article on SOTT last year called FDA Uses Mafia Tactics for the Benefit of Big Pharma, by John Rappaport, was the website, we've talked about him before, he writes about the medical cartel in the United States.

He talked about an interview with an FDA drug reviewer called Ronald Kavanagh, basically the guy was threatened, his children were threatened, and like you're saying it's like a criminal Mafia protecting its clients, which is big Pharma, and they use mob strategies, they go after your credibility, they intimidate your family, you can lose your job, it's really frightening.

Tiffany: I just want to set the stage here a little bit, let me just play this quick little clip.

"I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse"

If you go back in history and look at John D. Rockefeller, I think this started in the late 1800's or the early 1900's, big wealthy family, and he wanted to control the whole medical field, so he started donating to all the medical schools. But, the stipulations behind the donations were that the medical schools could only teach allopathic based medicines or allopathic treatments.

Then he hired some guy named Abraham Flexner, and he would go around to medical schools and other schools of homeopathy or chiropractic and evaluate the treatments that they taught. So he would only give funding to the schools that pushed allopathic medicines, allopathic treatments.

In 1906 there was the Flexner report and it persuaded lawmakers to create legislation that they would only give licences to doctors that were trained in giving out patented drug based treatments versus more natural or wholistic treatments.

So you could kind of consider J.D. Rockefeller as the godfather of modern medicine, because of the Mafioso type tactics that he used.

I came across this article this morning, it was on the super articles blog, it's written by Paul Phillips, and he came up with nine similarities between big Pharma and the Mafia.

So the first one is that both big Pharma and the Mafia are filthy, stinking, disgustingly rich and they make obscene amounts of money.

The second one is that both big Pharma and the Mafia have side effects of their business.

So if there was a gang somewhere in the country that killed over 200,000 people every year, people would be up in arms, but that's what big Pharma does and I think in many ways big Pharma is a lot worse than the Mafia because their tentacles spread all over the world. You might have gangs here or there or Mafioso here or there, but big Pharma is world wide.

The third one that he came up with is bribery. Big Pharma and the Mafia, they both bribe politicians into making decisions in their favour, they give payoffs and generous donations.

The fourth one was they payoff mass media. So big Pharma uses their wealth and influence to make all these direct to consumer commercials, bias media coverage, they omit information about natural remedies and only focus on allopathic or drug-based treatments.

The fifth one was extortion. The prices of medications, say it takes 1 dollar to make a certain drug and they'll ramp up the price 10,000%. There's a $1000 pill for hepatitis treatment or people spend $10,000 a week on chemotherapy, basically it's pay up or die, or your money or life, when it comes to big Pharma.

The sixth one is silencing. So the Mafia and big Pharma, they'll silence people who dare to speak out against them, like big Pharma will issue gag orders and discredit wholistic practitioners, and engage in character assassination.

I think that was in the article Big Pharma and Organized Crime: They're not as different as you might think, where Merck had their hit list, where they put practitioners on the list and go after them with their campaign of harassment.

The seventh one was controlling the opposition. So any competitor that steps in, they want to compromise their business. One famous case was the Royal Rife case but the same thing happened with Gaston De Serres, and Dr. Burzynski, which we will get into.

This guy, I think he was a doctor back in the 1800's, Semmelweis, and his crime was telling doctors to wash their hands before operating on patients, they would go straight from the autopsy room in to the delivery room and the woman were all dying from these peripheral fevers. He was harassed so much he ended up in a mental institution and died there. You could even tie it to these alternative health practitioners in Florida, who died mysteriously.

So the eighth one was run-ins the law. So the Mafia, they've been taken to court for extortion and racketeering and things like that, but so has big Pharma, they've been sued I don't know how many times for serious health damages.

The last one is threats and coercion, which is really just under the guise of laws and legislation, like the mandatory vaccine laws that are coming in. That was a good article, it should be on SOTT soon, yeah big Pharma and the Mafia use a lot of the same tactics, it's pretty scary.

Doug: It's almost like big Pharma is like the macro version of the Mafia, the mafia works on kind of a small scale, they're in individual cities, they buy out the police, all those sorts of things. Then you have big Pharma which is on a world-wide scale and they use all the same kind of tactics.

Jonathan: I think the Mafia wishes it had the money that big Pharma has. It's crazy, looking at a list of the largest court settlements, pharmaceutical settlements, GlaxoSmithKline settled for 3 billion in 2012, 3 billion dollars. The violations were off label promotion, failure to disclose safety data, paying kickbacks to physicians, making false and misleading statements concerning the safety of their drugs.

Pfizer in 2009 paid 2.3 billion, Johnson & Johnson paid 2.2 billion in 2013, Abbott Laboratories 1.5 billion in 2012, Eli Lilly 1.4 billion in 2009, it just goes on and on. These are massive amounts of money that they are paying out, you would think logically, that would bankrupt a company, but no, they're going strong, these companies have hundreds of billions of dollars to play with essentially.

Tiffany: It's just a drop in the bucket for them. Another way that big Pharma is much worse than the Mafia in my opinion is because big Pharma has the kind of veneer of respectability, they have all these doctors with medical degrees and PhDs and heads of departments here and there. In the Mafia they're just seen as some thugs that have their lead pipes and break peoples legs, but it's really the same thing.

Doug: Yeah, it's like the white lab coat lends some kind of credibility, as soon as somebody's got on a white lab coat, suddenly they have this kind of respectability and everybody takes what they have to say just at face value, really. The Mafia, everybody understands what's going on there and it's something that they kind of tolerate I guess, more than anything else. But the white lab coat, with its credibility, everybody thinks what they say is gospel.

Erika: Yeah, and then if you don't comply, at least in the US, they start to enact laws and get congress involved. A couple of weeks ago there was a great article on SOTT about the 21st Century Cures Act. Basically it's a giveaway to the pharmaceutical industry, removing any safety mechanisms that are supposed to keep the public protected from unsafe drugs and medical devices.

And most people don't even know about it, it's not like it comes out on your daily news source or on Fox News, about how these things are being passed through congress to basically take away, one of the aspects is informed consent. One of the things the article notes is that informed consent by patients in drug trials has traditionally been sacrosanct with exceptions made only when consent is impossible to obtain or contrary to a patients best interests. But another clause in the proposed law adds a new kind of exemption, studies in which the proposed clinical testing poses no more than minimal risk, a major departure from current human subject protections, it is not clear who gets to determine whether a given trial of a new drug possesses a minimal risk. So, informed consent is crucial, not only for the credibility of modern medicine, but for your individual liberty. They're saying that the 21st Century Cures Act diminishes the rocks on which modern medicine is based, informed consent, individual body autonomy and the Hippocratic oath. And nobody knows about it, unless you were searching for the information, these kinds of things get passed, sponsored and co-sponsored by Democrats and Republicans and there you have it, all of a sudden you no longer have informed consent.

Jonathan: Talking about the role of the media in all of this, I'm sure a lot of people, our listeners are aware, remember in March of this year, the teenage girl from Connecticut who was forced into chemotherapy, she was ordered to take chemotherapy against her wishes.

There's an article on CBS News saying that the Connecticut teen with cancer breaks silence over forced chemotherapy, that she's happy that her cancer is in remission but she is still upset that she had no choice in the matter. In the article it says here too, I was really happy she said, about learning the cancer was in remission, it made it a lot easier to accept everything that has gone on here, knowing now that the chemo wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be I probably wouldn't fight so hard against it. Of course this is not to discredit, yes it is good that her cancer is in remission, but you can see how this used in the media to kind of lull people minds. Somebody reads the article and the next time they hear somebody talking negatively about chemotherapy, they're going to be like, shut up, it works, take it, you know.

Tiffany: Yeah her cancer is in remission, but for how long is the question? I wonder if we will come across any articles about her in a few years and see how she's doing then.

Doug: How much damage did the chemotherapy do?

Jonathan: Yeah, it's been clearly shown to cause extra tumours and even different types of cancers.

Doug: It was interesting watching that Burzynski documentary, there was one guy talking about how they were looking for alternative treatments for their child because they had some kind of aggressive brain cancer. And he started taking a look at the chemotherapy that the doctors were recommending and all the different chemotherapy drugs, he said he was looking at it and he said all of the came out in like the 70's and 80's. It's hardly anything like cutting edge research or anything, they've been doing the same kind of thing for 20 or 30 years and the whole approach is just nuke it, absolutely napalm the cancer and whatever happens outside that is just the cost of doing business. So that was the one thing that led him to look for alternatives because he was like this is ridiculous, why would I subject my child to this?

Jonathan: Wasn't it in that case, didn't they find that she died from brain damage that resulted from the treatment and actually not from the cancer?

Doug: Well that was a bad case, but yeah that was what they mentioned, that after going through chemotherapy, this one family found Dr Burzynskiand started going through his methods and completely eradicated the cancer, but the child ended up dying from side effects of the chemotherapy. And even in the autopsy her body was found to be completely 100% cancer free, so yeah, it was the chemotherapy that killed her.

Tiffany: So what was the title of that YouTube video?

Jonathan: It's called Burzynski: Cancer is a serious Business, I really highly recommend it.

Doug: His case is really interesting just to look at in terms of how these medical establishments like the FDA and the AMA work in this Mafia style practices.

He discovered a protein that he found to be very high in the average person, anybody who had cancer had a very low level of this protein, so he started experimenting with injecting it into cancer patients and he started having amazing results, their cancer would go into remission, in some cases after just weeks therapy, they would actually see their tumors shrinking. Basically there's no side effects, to speak of, and of course you know the medical Mafia didn't like this so much and the documentary goes into just how much he has had to fight to be able to do this therapy that is helping people. And you really get a clear picture of how these organizations like the FDA, have no care whatsoever about how these people are being helped, they are only interested in stopping somebody from honing in on their racquet. They don't care that this therapy is helping people, and by cutting it off they are basically giving these people a death sentence, they only care about the fact that they didn't approve this method, therefore they're not making any money off it, so it will have to stop.

Tiffany: And with Dr. Burzynski, he was under all this pressure from the FDA, the Texas Medical board kept coming after him to try to get his medical license revoked, they took him to trial 4 times, the judge ruled in his favor, the FDA was threatening him with jail, they raided his office, they came up with this propaganda campaign against his antineoplaston therapy, they confiscated his medical records, they really took this guy to task.

Doug: And they still are, he's managed to kind of fight them back, but still they have not let up the whole time.

Jonathan: I think probably part of the reason that he infuriates them so much is that he actually is working with the system, he's going through the process of getting FDA approved trials and actually trying to do it the "right way". I think he's doing it the right way anyway, when you watch his documentary you can see he is clearly an intelligent and very methodical scientific doctor, who has found something that works and is going through the steps to make sure that it's safe and really just trying to help people, and that's, I think, probably what's infuriating them so much.

You rarely see or hear stories about the snake oil salesman on the corner, this bottle of liquid cures cancer, and then having that person targeted by the FDA, no they target people who have actual cures, who are trying to do it in an actual way. I would really highly recommend our listeners to check out that documentary, it's infuriating, but it's highly enlightening.

Tiffany: One of the most infuriating parts for me was, all the time that they were harassing him and taking him to court and trying to throw him in jail, they're working behind the scenes to kind of take over his discovery. He actually tried to work with them to duplicate his studies, but they wouldn't do his studies in the way that he did, they changed the protocols to prove that his antineoplaston therapy didn't work, which is really, really dirty.

Doug: Well they paid off his assistants, one of the doctors that was working with him, so she ended up coming over to their side, because who knows how much she was paid off for it, and then tried to patent his stuff behind his back. The whole time they're fighting him in court saying this is an illegal substance that you are using, they're meanwhile working to try and take it out from under him, and disprove it at the same time. So I'm sure that if they managed to get patents and forced him to stop using it, you wouldn't start seeing it in other clinics or anything like that, it would just get buried.

They did a very similar thing actually to Royal Rife in the early part of the century. Same kind of thing, Rife was a brilliant doctor who studied optics as well, he invented this microscope, to this day that has not been duplicated, he was able to see extremely magnified version of these different microbes and viruses, the first time anybody was able to see a virus was using his microscope.

Through experimentation with this microscope, he discovered that by matching the frequency of different microbes he was able to destroy them. So he was doing all these experiments, he was inducing cancer in rats and then able to cure them and his trials moved on to humans and there were 16 different human subjects, and I think 14 of them he was able to cure in 70 days and the other 2 it took 90 days, but he completely eradicated cancer from them.

But of course it was the same kind of thing, he had hired an engineer to duplicate his microscopes at a more practical level, because the machine took up the size of a room. Then the AMA came to this engineer and paid him off, $10,000, which I guess back in the day was a lot of money. Then they tried to work through him to steal his technology and the whole time they were fighting him in court and all this other stuff like calling him a quack, while working behind the scenes to duplicate and patent it. It's amazing how they always use this same tactic.

Tiffany: And didn't Royal Rife, all the harassment and persecution kind of drove him to drink and he died penniless and in obscurity.

Doug: Yeah they drove him to drink, and that was just simply the pressure of having to appear in court and fight and all that kind of stuff, that drove him to start drinking and by the end of his life he was taking valium as well, so yeah, they ruined him, they completely ruined him.

It was the head of the JAMA at the time whose name was Morris Fishbein, he was just a scumbag, he was eventually fired because of corruption charges, he was totally working to eradicate the "quackery" from medicine and targeted Rife and kept him tied up in court for years and years and drove him to drink.

Tiffany: Well there was another guy who also developed, he was working in optics too, he made a microscope, he called it a somatascope, his name was Gaston Naessens, there was a good book written about him, I think it was called The Persecution and Trial of Gaston Naessens: The True Story of the Efforts to Suppress an Alternative Treatment for Cancer, AIDS, and Other Immunologically Based Diseases, he was from I think the Montreal area in Canada.

So he was able to see these tiny little microbes in people's blood stream too and he came up with something called 714x, which is an enzyme that kind of boosts immunity and he cured some people with cancer, so they did the same thing to him, took him to court and just harassed the hell out of him. It happens all the time.

Doug: It's really interesting too because you know I don't know how many people are keeping up with the issue in Florida, doctors are mysteriously turning up dead, or disappearing, I almost see it that they tried their old methods like with Burzynski, and it's clearly not working, so they've kind of like decided to approach the problem with a hammer and just anybody that's working with anything that could potentially cure cancer or cure some kind of chronic diseases, you know honing in on their racket, in other words, are just disappearing or turning up dead.

We don't really know what's going on in those cases, it's still very up in the air and nobody really knows, although it looks like a lot of these doctors were working a substance that activates the immune system and allows the body to kind of kill off these cancer cells.

There's a substance in their blood called nagalase, which is preventing the immune system from attacking tumor cells, so he was injecting them with a substance that bypasses this nagalase and allows the immune system to activate and take on these tumors.

Like I said it's still kind of unknown at this point but maybe these doctors were working with this substance, having great results and low and behold, they're turning up dead.

Tiffany: Sounds to me like they were just whacked, to use a mafia term. It just smacks of desperation that big Pharma is going to now, because they don't want to take people to court because they don't really have a case and they don't want science presented that proves them wrong, so they'll just go out and kill people now.

Jonathan: It almost makes me wonder, the hypnosis is so firmly in place, so many people are on board, they've drunk the Kool-Aid so to speak, that do they really need to cover this up, I mean apparently they think that they do, but it's like you said we don't really know what's happening to these doctors, but if we are to infer and speculate a little and talk about the possibilities, it just makes me wonder, do they really need to cover this stuff up because you can show people this kind of thing in plain view, just like with Burzynski. There are a lot of people as well, I've seen a lot of comments online that Burzynski's a quack, I'm like how the hell, if you see the results work, you see all of these patients testifying under oath, in front of congress, saying I was cured, my child was cured, we're trying to tell the truth here. Even then, in the face of all that evidence people still say, this is quackery and you just need to trust your doctor and shut the hell up essentially.

Doug: I think that a lot of those comments that you see on blogs are actually paid, I don't think members of the general public usually have that much invested, so I think is what you see is just a smear campaign, if we call Burzynski a quack enough it will just embed itself in the public consciousness, nobody will question it. That makes sense, because it's always worked in the past right, all you have to do is look at the vaccine situation in today's society and you can see that people just repeat it, monkey brains just take that line of thought on, then you can't deny it. I think there are these coordinated campaigns to smear people and to smear these methods, most of these people aren't going to look into it, so they just take the party line.

Erika: Yeah the AMA is getting desperate, there was an article on Citizens For Health talking about how they just prepared a gag order for medical dissenters because they're angry about what they call quackMD's and they're going out actively to defend the profession, and they quote Dr. Oz, because he makes such an impact on mainstream TV and they released this document about how they are going to monitor press releases and public statements , they want to denounce medical information through TV and radio and websites that these people are, like you said quack doctors.

What's interesting is the AMA only has like 14% of doctors in the US that support it.

Doug: Most of those are medical students.

Tiffany: And they have a huge lobby.

Erika: Yes, exactly. One of the articles was saying that they spent 19 million dollars lobbying on Capitol Hill(Washington, D.C.) in 2014.

Doug: Unbelievable, it's actually too bad that Dr. Oz, is kind of the one who is getting all the press on this, they're saying they want to silence these quack doctors like Dr. Oz, I think Dr. Oz is totally controlled opposition, the fact of the matter is the stuff that Dr. Oz talks about is pretty minor. He's talking about weight loss supplements that don't even really work, so should Dr. Oz be shut up, yeah totally. But you put him into this category, then people who are actually doing real work and actually making real progress are looked at as just another Dr. Oz.

So yeah I totally think he's just controlled opposition, we'll put this guy out here who is hocking weight loss supplements and then anyone who comes along with a cure for cancer just gets grouped in with the same thing.

Erika: Yeah and it's more just skewing the information, instead of people actually getting real information, let's just muddy the waters until people are exhausted from it all.

Tiffany: And in a lot of ways they're kind of just drawing attention to what their tactics are. I hadn't even heard of nagalase before all these doctors came up dead in Florida, so you kind of have to wonder, is that whole GCMAF, nagalase, is that something we should be looking into or is it a distraction. I think it's a fairly good product and it does people some good but you always have to question when they draw your attention to something.

Doug: Yeah, exactly. It kind of seems like they're just trying to shut it down before it could leak out, but it does seem to have had the opposite effect like you said. I'd never heard of it before and now I've been looking into it more and more, and it actually does look fairly promising.

Tiffany: I think that another aspect, in all these articles are the writers that compare big Pharma to the Mafia, there's one big aspect that they're missing, which a lot of people do miss, there are common characteristics, the fact that both institutions are over run with psychopaths, these people have no empathy, they'll do whatever it is to get what they want, kill people, they really just don't care about people and their health. They're both just psychopathic organizations and they prey on non-psychopaths, the doctors who are really into caring for their patients and are really trying to help them with alternative cures. So it seems like psychopaths against normies once again.

Doug: Yeah and it kind of goes from the ground up in these institutions too.

It was interesting to read about the methods that they use to actually get the drugs out there. They'll perform all these studies on their drugs and any study that doesn't give them the results that they like, they just throw out. Then they hire spin doctors to take the information from the studies that they did like and spin it in such a way that it makes it look like it is a wonder drug and has no side effects and it's an amazing thing to do. Then they hire a ghostwriter to write up the study, they'll pay off a doctor to put his name on it, even though he didn't write it or have any part in the trials whatsoever, then they take it to the FDA and say look this thing is amazing it's been published in a peer reviewed journal. The FDA gets millions of dollars for every drug that they review from these pharmaceutical companies, of course says, "Oh yes, this looks great!", so then all of a sudden it has FDA approval despite that fact the FDA doesn't do any kind of studies themselves or do any kind of safety trials or anything like that. They just take a look at the information that's been put out there by the pharmaceutical company, that obviously has a conflict of interest, and then they put it out there. The pharmaceutical reps go into overdrive showing it to doctors, doctors who don't have time to take a look at the studies themselves and even if they did, there's no contradictory information out there because big Pharma has controlled it from the ground up. So then they get a pharmaceutical rep in a push up bra, she comes in a takes them out to dinner and wines and dines them and tells them that this is really something that you should be giving to your patients.

Is it any wonder that months later or years later, suddenly all these people are coming forward who are saying there are huge side effects and this drug is not doing what it is supposed to do and having all these toxic side effects. Then big Pharma just pays the couple of billion dollars that they get sued for, which is just a cost of doing business for them, and they continue on and the whole process repeats itself over and over again. It's amazing that the industry has any credibility whatsoever, but people just don't connect the dots. Especially the doctors themselves who are pushing these drugs on their patients with very little information, they don't actually know what it is that they are giving to people. Even if the doctor is a good person and doesn't want to harm the patient, I'd like to believe most doctors are, they just don't know any better, they're just pushing this stuff out there.

Tiffany: And even if they do know, or they have their suspicions or they've seen that certain drugs are hurting people, they fear speaking out because every doctor that does speak out gets crushed.

Doug: The Pharma industry is not above any level of intimidation or smear campaigns or whatever it is that they have to do to shut up dissenters, it's mafia techniques.

Jonathan: Yeah. Just like you said you know how people are intimidated into staying silent, it makes me think of the, not exactly on topic but very similar, the issue with Monsanto and the way they treat small farmers, even to the point of, I don't know if everybody is aware of this, but I think a good deal of our listeners would be aware that there's more than a few cases about Monsanto seed that has blown off of a truck into a farmers field, taken root in the field and Monsanto agents come around, they take a sample and they say you're illegally growing our crop and then they sue them for everything they have. They take their land, take their farm, intimidate them, not even just intimidate, but out and out destroy these people lives and their livelihoods.

It's endemic of the way massive corporations are operating, and if we look at the legal definition of a corporation as being like a person, so that they can operate in a certain way under the law, but that they can't be prosecuted the same way a person could be because they're made up of many people and there is nobody to essentially punish. Even when they are punished for their misdeeds, like we've talking about, they shell out the money, it's no big deal. Like we've been talking about, picture the Godfather, not really worried about this one, bada boom, pinot, pay it off.

Doug: It's interesting they'll even go so far, there was the case in Australia with the whole Vioxx thing that we talked about at the beginning of the show, that company they actually make fake journal articles, they made up a fake journal, The Australian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine, that journal doesn't actually exist, they would go to the FDA or whatever the Australian version is and say, look we had our studies printed in this journal, so it's peer reviewed journal so our drug is safe and it's effective. So they approved it based on a completely fake journal, unbelievable, how did they not think they would get caught for that.

Tiffany: And that's even silly in it self because you don't even have to make a fake journal, you just go to a real journal and just put a fake study in and nobody would even notice.

Doug: It's like they just got lazy.

Erika: Well look at Dr. Sherri J.Tenpenny, who tried to go down to Australia and just give information to parents about vaccine dangers and she received bomb threats, talk about mafia tactics, and she ended up cancelling the tour out of fear for her life, just because she wanted to give parents information about informed consent, sure go get your vaccinations but here's some information you might want to consider.

Jonathan: Do we have any personal stories from you guys about this, I've never had a direct intimidation on my self, clearly I'm not a doctor.

I was just thinking about a case a couple of years ago, well more than a couple of years ago now, but I was playing soccer and I dislocated my finger, the center joints of my ring finger on my left hand came out, it looked really bad but it was basically just dislocated. But at the time I was like I got to go to the hospital, so I went, but I didn't have insurance. They gave me one shot of Novocain, took an x-ray then pulled it back in place and sent me on my way, and that was $850. It makes you think, if that happens to me again I'm just going to bite on a piece of wood and pull it out myself.

I know there are some cases where you really need to go to the hospital, there are certain things, if you've broken your arm and the bone is sticking out of the skin, then yeah go.

Tiffany: I'm all for emergency medicine, but as far as trusting a doctor to care for any kind of chronic condition or any kind of ailment that I might suffer, I'd stay away from them.

Doug: I'm pretty much the same.

Erika: I was just going to say, Jonathan we had a similar experience, my husband had to have a microscope take pictures of his stomach for ulcers and again we had no medical insurance and it was a $5000 procedure. And then, they wanted to do this this major invasive surgery and because he had a pre existing diagnoses, they wouldn't give him medical insurance and it was actually what lead us to do the research on diet. We just decided we will spend $200 at a naturopathic doctor to kind of get a way to start dealing with this on our own. It was changing the diet that ended up healing him in the long run. The doctor made the initial diagnosis for a very hefty sum, but it was really our own research and work and thanks to SOTT and the forum that we started to gather information on how to deal with the stomach issue, that was curable without having this really invasive surgery, at an extraordinary price.

Jonathan: I think that's part of the way that the establishment has so much, not just the drug companies themselves, insurance companies are getting paid out through this medical establishment as well.

Years ago now, this is more than 10 years ago, I remember a case from Ohio that I'd been reading about a woman that had a surgery, I don't remember what the surgery was, but the point of the case was that she was being hounded for payment and she was a poor woman so she couldn't make the payment, and she was trying to come up with it and she was being reasonable and not ducking, she was trying to negotiate with them, how can I pay this off. And in the course of this case, it came out that the actual cost of the surgery, including paying the doctors and paying the hospital for their materials, so this includes base cost of materials plus profit for salaries and all that kind of thing, was $20,000, but the cost that they were charging was $98,000. So you're tacking on $78,000 and that's just ridiculous, the amount of cost that goes into this kind of stuff.

Yesterday I saw an article floating around Facebook, that hospitals are charging up to $800 for a bag of saline solution that costs $1 to make.

Tiffany: Or $83 for an aspirin, where you could buy one for a dollar or $2 for a whole bottle.

Erika: Talk about mafia extortion.

Doug: It's interesting Jonathan, you're talking about our personal experience with this kind of stuff. My personal experience isn't really to do with having to be hospitalized or anything like that, when I was writing a blog a couple of years ago, I had a health blog, it was in a fairly mainstream website, and I would publish different articles on various topics and things like that. I always knew that I hit a hot button issue when there would be comments on the blog, that were pretty obvious to me, coming from paid shills. People who were out there who were just scanning the internet for anything that they could kind of crap all over and push the party line. It would usually happen with ones that had something to do with GMO's, that was the big one, and it's funny because the comments were always completely cookie cutter like, I know a farmer who was using organic this and it didn't work at all and then they switched to GMO's and everything is fine now, blah blah blah. It was always very cookie cutter, I would respond to the comments and they would never respond back, it was very obvious to me that these were paid commenters, and it was really funny because I would comment on them a couple of times and call them out and say well this is obviously a paid comment. And it was funny because the people who were reading it, they would put comments underneath and say well how do you know it's a paid comment, that doesn't make any sense, why would they bother hiring people to do this kind of thing, but to me it was blatantly obvious that that's what was going on. So GMOs were the big one, but even sometimes when I was talking about alternatives to cancer treatments or something like that, I would be very careful about that kind of stuff, and say you should check with your doctor, don't switch your procedure just because you read this article, but none the less you would get people on there who were slamming it and calling it quackery and all that kind of stuff, but it was so transparent that these were paid commenters.

Jonathan: I'm sure that's very common.

Doug: They have this huge budget, people think, they have in there mind that these companies wouldn't go to these ends, to do this. They are like well why would they pay so much money just to sway public perception, but it absolutely goes on. There's been documented cases of it, people think why would they bother, that was just a small time blog, why would they bother with this kind of thing, believe it, they are paying people 24 hours a day to scour the internet to spread the party line, that's the way it works.

Jonathan: We have a caller on the line, hi caller, what's your name and where are you calling from.

Caller: Hey guys this is Elon, calling from North Carolina, how are you all doing. So really terrific show so far, I just wanted to chime in and mention also how much I got out of the documentary on Burzynski, if I am pronouncing it correctly. It's been a couple of years since I watched it. I just wanted to say how much of an impression that documentary leaves as far as how controlled any kind of progressive or innovative medical approach is to healing. This also kind of reminded me of an anecdotal experience I had when I was a teenager, I had a doctor who I went to, a kind of urban version of your country doctor, he treated people who had HMO insurance, and he told me about how he was trying to help people who were diabetic. And what he explained to me was that, and this is many years ago, but left quite an impression on me at the time, after I saw the Burzynski film, the bigger picture as it were, made a lot more sense to me. Basically, he was able to wean people off of insulin, and for years had tried to work with, I guess it's the American Diabetic Association, whatever it's called, and he had an idea for a controlled experiment in a hospital, to be conducted over a period of time that would show how people could be safely weaned off of insulin because he had success doing this with some of his patients. They never wrote back or if they did write back it was always some kind of cursory thanks for his information, but they never followed up with him. My impression at the time was the guy was totally sincere, he had this idea of how he could treat people and this big organization didn't want anything to do with it. So just another kind of anecdotal story to show that it's not only the cancer industry, it's also the diabetes industry, and I'm sure this type of thing is pervasive in any type of industry that the government has a hand in, perpetuating as a health problem. So I just wanted to add that in and tell you guys it's been a terrific show so far, a lot of great dot connecting and thank you for doing it.

Tiffany: Thanks for calling in.

Caller: Sure, I'll be listening in, have a good day folks.

Jonathan: Yeah you too Elon.

Tiffany: Big Pharma, they have so many rackets going not just the cancer racket, the diabetes racket, the AIDS/HIV racket, there's just so many of them, it's just hard to wrap your mind around the very firm grip that they have on just about everyone's thinking throughout the whole world. A lot of people just have no idea that there are alternatives, they'll go to any length to make sure that people don't know. The small number of people in the underground might know about things here and there but they'll do anything. Like you said Doug, like with the paid shills and everything just to make sure that this does not reach a wider audience, that there are alternatives out there.

Doug: It's like a very big pyramid scheme, they need more and more bricks at the bottom of their pyramid scheme to keep things moving, so they'll do anything they can to defend that pyramid and get anybody who is experiencing an issue, even like heartburn, they want to get you on proton pump inhibitors, that's what they want to do to suppress that stomach acid and people just don't know that there is actually an alternative out there and the damage that these drugs do. Or even the psych drugs, we did a whole show about the psych drugs and there are actually alternatives out there and I think they are worth trying. But it's such an effective screen that they have put up, it's very difficult to penetrate.

Erika: And they're getting desperate, you can see the desperation with these mandatory vaccine laws that they are trying to pass in the United States. For years it was like, 97% of people comply with vaccines, so now they want to make sure and turn the 3% that don't so they're passing federal legislation to do that, I mean it's downright despicable, really.

Jonathan: Yeah, it really is. The idea that the establishment has people's actual health in mind is so ridiculous now, it should be, anyone who, and I don't want to be insulting, and say anyone with 2 neurons firing or anything like that, although I feel that way. But really anyone who can kind of force themselves to take the time to look into these issues, just take a little bit of time, if you're in that camp that thinks, well yeah there's some bad corporations but they're really trying to help, or yeah maybe the government is a little bit evil, but it's just some bad people that are in there, No this is systemic, it's part of the way things are, it's part of the way they operate, it's in the manual as a standard operating procedure, and it's part of the kind of, I guess, the waking up process to see how these things work in society. It was a struggle for me with a member of my family talking about gluten and wheat, and having this person say, well wheat is the staff of life, and why would it be bad, wasn't it put here by god to feed us. These are all, for somebody who as never really looked into the topic, reasonable points, for somebody that has grown up with and has religious beliefs, they apply those beliefs to things in their life. And it's the same kind of thing with authority, seeing the medical establishment as an authority, a lot of people who have, and I don't want to pick just on religions here but it's a good use case scenario, or who have been raised with that idea of god gives authority to certain structures so we can live a certain way. So if you mean to be a respectful Christian or Muslim or Hindu or anything, whatever your structure is, and that you're taught to respect and obey your authorities, that's a problem, you know, respecting other people and obeying people who have shown that they actually have something to teach you, they are two very different things, than just blankly respecting and obeying authority. So I feel really bad and a lot of empathy for people who have been deceived into this mindset that I should just take the drugs that I'm given, or I should just believe what's in the newspaper, because they don't know otherwise. But then they're like what's wrong with that, why am I being wronged by thinking this because this is what everybody thinks. I don't think people are willfully saying "Screw that guy", I think people generally want to be good and want to be just and see justice served. But when the authority has entrenched itself to the extent that it has that we see now, and the point that Elon made, not just in the cancer industry but also in many other industries, even in electricity, if you look into the story of Tesla versus Edison, and Tesla was just run into the ground, because Edison had much more power and corporate influence. This kind of story echoes itself over and over, it's really unfortunate, I think the way to combat that is to educate yourself, look at the evidence, look at what works and not what you're told works, find it out for yourself.

Doug: And it's funny too because it's so insidious, the way the big Pharma thing works, because I think you're right, most people are basically good, and in a lot of cases they actually want to help, and it's amazing how they can funnel this drive in people, there is a certain desperation in trying, let's cure cancer, let's cure all these chronic diseases, and they funnel it into these things like walk for the cure or run all these different events that are supposed to raising money for research. And they take these people who actually do care, a lot of these people have family members or maybe themselves that are afflicted by these diseases, they're like how can I help, what can I do. Oh ok, they've got a walk for the cure, I'll go do that, I'll raise money, but they never really put 2 and 2 together, that they're raising money for the most profitable industry on the face of the planet, why do they need money raised, that doesn't make any sense at all. There's hundreds of billions of dollars that these pharmaceutical companies have, so why do these people need to raise money for it? They take this drive in people, good people, people of conscience who want to do something, who want to help, and then they turn it around and funnel it into just making more money for them, and they're not interested in cures, they have absolutely no interest in cures, that's proven with the way they have attacked people like Rife and Burzynski and any number of other people who are actually caring researchers who really honestly want to help, and they completely ruin these people and turn everybody's attention away from that and put it into walk for the cure or the pink ribbon campaign, a pink ribbon on a bucket of Kentucky fried chicken, because we want to help with breast cancer, I mean you know, it's so ridiculous.

Tiffany: Let's all put ice buckets on our heads.

Doug: Yeah exactly, what useless things to have people doing, it's just unbelievable, it's like busy work, let's keep them distracted with this stuff so we can keep the racket going.

Jonathan: It really is maddening. This past winter, I noticed and commented to a friend of mine, there was a pink ribbon, raise money for the cure bubble gum machine in the local school, and it's like you don't know what's in those bubble gum balls, that probably causes cancer.

Doug: Yeah, oh yeah totally.

Erika: I had a similar experience with the breast cancer cure, I was actually on an airplane a few years ago and before they made the announcement for your seatbelt, they basically asked everyone on the plane for money for a breast cancer cure, it was just mind blowing. Because you're like wait, I'm feeling guilty if I don't offer money, but what is the airline doing raising money for a breast cancer cure, and that they would get the actual undivided attention of every single passenger on the plane.

Doug: And it works via guilt, they do that at checkout lines too, you're paying for your groceries or whatever and, oh would you like to give us a dollar for whatever thing, and you know, it's so guilt inducing and I always so no, but I always feel embarrassed because I'm the guy who doesn't want to help. Jonathan you were talking about run-ins with family and I've had an ongoing issue with my sister because she does the MS walk every year, she has a friend who ha MS, so she cares, yeah she wants to help out, so she always come to me for money every year, and every year I'm like no, I'm sorry, I don't support those organizations and she gets so angry about it because she perceives me as an uncaring jerk, somebody that doesn't want to give, it's like 5$ man, come on, you can't give me $5, and I'm like no, I refuse to do it, and it's totally a bone of contention between us. I think she's learning that it's kind of pointless to ask me.

Tiffany: Well that' totally understandable, you don't want to give your energy to support a lie and by donating I think you're probably hurting more people than by not donating. Because whatever they come up with the small percentage of the donations that they actually use for research, actually does no one any good.

Doug: It's basically refusing to put energy into that system. It is just symbolic, I mean my $5 isn't going to make a difference and I could just placate her and say ok here's the $5, but it's like a statement to the universe saying, no, I refuse, I am not going to support this system, I don't agree with it and I am making my stand here.

Jonathan: Yeah and to it being a lie, the thing that really kind of gets my goat about the fund raising, especially for cancer cures, is like the cure exists, it really does, I realize that there might be some people who are listening who are like well you're so cocky, how can you say that. I've read many cases, I mean if you just look into Burzynski alone, not to mention there are many other cases where a lot of these doctors of cures, there's at least 10 viable cures for different types of cancer that are not on the market right now, but that are available. Even just a ketogenic diet has been shown to reduce and eliminate tumors, and it's not like small potatoes either, Burzynski is curing stage 4 brain cancer. It's really over the top, so when they say, race for the cure or walk for the cure, give $5 for the cure, that's bullshit. What you need to do is actually pay attention, listen to the people who are dedicating their lives to finding, and have found cures for these diseases. But they're pigeon holed, intimidated and crushed by the industry and being helped by the government, for nothing more than profit, that's what it's for. I could put my tin foil hat on and say that it's for population reduction and stuff like that, and it might be, I don't know, but you can clearly, unequivocally show that it's for profit. When you can pay out 3 billion at the drop of a hat to settle a lawsuit and do that many times over and over, you've got enough money.

Erika: You can continue to get FDA approval for those drugs, so instead of an example being set, like maybe we should stop letting these guys put these drugs on the market, they continue business as usual.

Jonathan: So I guess we would encourage everybody to look into these things, do your own research, don't take anybody's word for it, don't even take our word for it. We're not trying to tell you what to think, we're telling you to think for yourself, go out do the reading, get some books, spend some time online and really read about this. When you come across an article that says turmeric fights tumors, don't just say oh great now I know that turmeric fights tumors, look up why, go down the rabbit hole and look into these things. It's this idea that because I didn't go to medical school I must not be smart enough to learn this information, that's not true at all. Spend some time in the evening reading and researching and even if you can't draw on a whiteboard the molecular diagrams of all the things that comprise the solution and exactly why they work and what's happening here and name off the Latin names of all these things, you can understand more deeply how things work and the mechanics of what we're putting into our body and you can come to that understanding on our own. I think that's an idea that, if it's not already completely lost, it's being lost. The idea that you can actually find this understanding on your own by doing research and the internet, while it's a tool of disinformation it's also a very powerful tool. It's my personal opinion that there's no longer a need to go to university, I think there's something to be said for tutoring or being an apprentice or somebody who is a bona fide expert, that's kind of a different case. Saying that you have to go into debt to go to university to learn certain things is not true at all, with the internet and with the information that is available in books, you can learn this stuff yourself, going to the primary source.

Well let's take a little time to go to Zoya's pet health segment for today, she's got an interesting one for us on telepathy in pets, so I'm curious to see how this is going to go. I think we all have understood or had situations where pets seem to be reading our minds. We'll come back after that with a recipe for homemade pickles, lacto-fermented pickles.

Zoya: Hello, and welcome to the pet health segment of the health and wellness show. This week I am going to share with you another interesting talk, this time by the author Rupert Sheldrake who shares his research on dogs who know when their owners are coming home and other examples of pet telepathy, like cats who know when their humans plan on taking them to the vet. Well, enjoy.

Rupert Sheldrake: One the commonest kinds of telepathy that we heard about with cats was their ability to know when their owners were planning to take them to vets. Many cats respond to this intention by disappearing. When I received several hundred accounts of this behavior from people in America, Britain, Germany and other parts of the world, it seemed that this was a very common kind of experience, and of course when it happens, it's annoying to the cat owners because they have to cancel the appointment, or search all over for the cat. People soon learn that if they get out the carrying basket the cats going to disappear, so people don't get the carrying basket out, but the cat still disappears.

Sometimes people make their appointments for the vet when they're at work so the cat doesn't overhear the telephone call, but the cat still seems to know. In order to quantify this we did a survey of all the veterinary clinics listed in the North London yellow pages, there are 65 clinics listed and my assistant rang up them all and asked whether they ever had a problem with people missing appointments with a cat. 64 out of 65 said this was a very common occurrence, it happened all the time, the remaining one said it happened so often that they had abandoned an appointment system for cats. People just had to turn up with them. We had a lot of interesting stories, usually not from the vets themselves but from their receptionists or assistants, who the people dealt with for appointments.

Here's a typical story from a vet receptionist in North London. It's not always the cat basket, the clients know that once they produce the basket there's not a hope in hell of catching the cat, so it's usually before the baskets are being brought out. People say they get home around 5:30 pm and the cat is always on the doorstep, but the day of the appointment he's not there, I think they have definitely read their thoughts because the owner has not been in all day so they can't have seen the owners being upset or behaving any differently. So, this is one of the things that cats are particularly good at, cats are extremely sensitive, usually when the owners intentions directly concern themselves. Dogs often pick up when people are planning to take them for walks, no one finds this surprising if it is at a routine time or if the dog sees them getting out the lead or putting on their coat or shoes or whatever.

The interesting thing is when it is an unusual time and the dogs in a different room, even before the person has got up from the chair. Many people have told me, I just have to think "I'm going to take the dog for a walk, it's a nice day", and the dog will come bounding into the room really excited. This is something we tested by experiments with a woman who lives in the north of England. She has 5 dogs and she said this happened all the time. In this experiment we shut up the dogs in an out building with a video camera running so we could observe them, and at random times she thought about taking them for a walk before doing so. On the videos what you see is most of the time the dogs are just lying around doing nothing, but during this 5 minute period they get progressively more excited, and by the time she comes in they are sitting in a semi-circle around the door, eager and expectant as she comes in to take them for a walk and they don't do that at any other time. In this case of course we can rule out the obvious standard explanations n terms of body language, dog 's picking up intentions, routines, etc. Many animals know when their owners are planning to give them a treat, when they are just thinking about getting up to go to the fridge or a cupboard to get out some special treat, the dog or cat will come bounding in excited and expectant.

The main thing that I've studied in detail, as I mentioned this morning, is the ability of dogs to know when their owners are coming home. In the course of my research with animals, after this book "Dogs that know when their owners are coming home" was first published, I got a whole new lot of stories coming to me and even more cases coming to my attention, which are absolutely fascinating and some of them concern parrots. I am now convinced that the most dramatically impressive telepathic animals are parrots, particularly African greys. The big advantage of parrots is that some of them can speak, people with dogs and cats often say if only they could talk, well quite a lot of parrots can. And I've been working in the last couple of years with what may be one of the most remarkable parrots in the world, it's an African grey called N'kisi which lives in Manhattan. I heard about this through N'kisi's owner Amy Organa, who got in touch with me through email through my website, having read my book and she thought if I was interested in her parrot. She told me that her parrot had a vocabulary or hundreds of words and that she trained it to use language in a kind of natural way, so you could talk to it as you would a baby or a young child. N'kisi's vocabulary is now about 700 words and he speaks in sentences, he's uttered at least 7000 different sentences. Now the best studied of all parrots is a parrot called Alex, it belongs to a woman called Irene Pepperberg, who is now at MIT.

Pepperberg's parrot now after 20 years has a vocabulary of about 200 words. The importance of Pepperberg though is that she has demonstrated beyond a doubt that parrots can use language intelligently, they can form abstract concepts, they can do, in fact, all the things that chimps and gorillas can do. People have trained chimps and gorillas to speak using American sign language, you can't teach them to speak in English using ordinary language because they don't have the right vocal apparatus, but they do use their hands in making gestures and there have been very impressive results, starting the 1960's with chimps and gorillas, teaching them to speak in American sign language, it's been shown that they can use concepts, they can use abstractions and they have got what psychologist call a theory of mind, in other words they can understand that others have feelings and beliefs, a kind of self consciousness.

What Pepperberg has shown is that parrots can do all this too, and they can actually do it better. Why this was so shocking and surprising and when she started doing this it was controversial, because nobody believed this would be possible, people were ready to credit chimps and gorillas with some limited mental capacities because they are like us, they have the same kind of DNA and they have brains rather much like ours, although smaller. But parrots are literally bird-brained, their brains is less than the size of a walnut, and they don't have speech areas the same way we do, they shouldn't be able to do these things.

Yet, what Pepperberg has shown is that Alex can use language in abstractions, she can learn, for example Alex has learned the word red, so you can show Alex a tray of objects of all different colours and say give me the red one, and the parrot will bend over a pick up the red object, even if he's never seen that object or anything like that shape before, showing that he has abstracted the word red from particular things, he can do this with shapes, he can do it with things that are the same or different, and a variety of concepts that human children acquire by the age of 3 or 3 and a half have now been acquired by Alex. We've show with N'kisi that the same kind of thing has happened and even more so, N'kisi's linguistics skills and development have more or less paralleled those of human children to about age 4, or 3 and a half, N'kisi's now 4. Of course we don't expect this development to continue, we're not expecting him to go through graduate school, get a PhD and so on, but his abilities are quite remarkable.

This is the main point of Amy's research, to study the communication and use of language, she's trying to find out more about animal minds, you can talk to parrots, and a by-product of this research she noticed that parrot was responding to her thoughts by saying what she was thinking about. So she'd be looking at a magazine at a car and the parrot is at the other end of the room can't see the magazine and the parrot says, "That's a great car", and she's looking at people dancing on TV and the parrot says "They're dancing", this happened so many times she kept a log. After I first got in touch with her, she started keeping a log, there's now more than 600 spontaneous incidents.

Jonathan: Well thank you Zoya for sharing that with us, that was really fascinating, I've heard a bit of Sheldrake before but I've never heard that before.

Tiffany: Creepy.

Jonathan: Yeah, the parrot that can read minds, that's pretty cool. I've had that experience with my dog, for sure, when just as some random time I'll start thinking about going for a walk and she comes into the room like, what are we doing?

Well, let's see here what we've got for our recipe today, lacto-fermented pickles, so for anybody who is not aware, lacto-fermentation is fermenting vegetables, and you actually do it with berries too, with salt water. Most people are aware of sauerkraut and sauerkraut is made with lacto-fermentation, it's cabbage submerged in salt water, but you can also do this with a lot of other vegetables and I've made these before and it's a really nice pickle recipe.

So if you like pickles but you're avoiding the ones at the store because they have sugar or a bunch of preservatives and stuff in them, you can make your own. So this is for a 1 quart mason jar, which most people have or at least have access to, you can get these from most grocery stores and hardware stores. You want pickling cucumbers, so if you can get organic, if you can't just get the best ones you can find. You want the cucumbers to be of a certain size so that they can fit into the mason jar with about 2 inches of head room over the top of them.

So you want to mix a quart of water with 2 and a half tablespoons of sea salt, or I like to use real salt, which is the salt that has all the minerals and it looks kind of dirty, but that works really well for this process. So 2 and a half tablespoons of salt with 1 quart of water and then, the very base recipe is that you just shove the cucumbers into the jar dry, so that they pack in, you want them to hold themselves down under the water, and then you pour the brine solution over the top of them, put a paper towel or a cloth over the top of the jar and secure it with string or a rubber band and let it sit out at room temperature for 7-10 days. Then when you're done take it out and taste to see how pickled they are and throw them into the fridge and they last quite a while. You can spice this to taste, if you want to make dill pickles, I would take one head of dill, you know the top, the sprig of dill that comes off the top, throw that in underneath the cucumbers before you stuff them into the jar.

You can also add peeled garlic, black peppercorns, mustard seeds and if you want to add some kind of bite to it, get a fresh horseradish root and peel of some strips with a potato peeler and add some strips of fresh horseradish in there as well. So this is something you can play around with, I've made this before with mint and ginger and it came out really well, and I've done it with a number of different spices.

So you do want to do some research to find out if what you are putting in there lacto ferments properly or not, some things don't and so you want to do a lot of reading on that to make sure that what you're including will lacto ferment and won't spoil in the solution. So this is a really simple recipe for pickles and it takes, like I said 7-10 days, in warmer weather 6-7 days, but in the winter it takes 10 days and maybe a few more, just let them sit out on the counter and then in the fridge when you're done. You'd be surprised, they come out like, they're like real pickles, they're nice and crispy, slice them up, good to go.

Doug: I've done quite a bit of lacto fermenting myself and I've made pickles a few times, I use the big fermenting pot to do it, so we get nice big batches, and I've even done it with regular cucumbers not pickling ones. I told my roommate to pick up some pickling cucumbers and she ended up picking up the wrong ones, just regular conventional cucumbers, so I just cut them into slices and put that in and it worked fine, it worked great they actually turned out really nice.

Jonathan: Cool. So when you use the bigger container, do you use a weight to hold them down, or do you just kind of stuff them in.

Doug: They come with a weight so I use that just to keep it just under the water, it works really well. One of the big benefits of it actually is it's got all those beneficial bacteria that you get when ever you do lacto fermentation, which you don't really get from the store bought ones because they pasteurize everything and kill off all the bacteria, so yeah you get some good gut inoculation with that too.

Erika: Boosts the immune system.

Jonathan: Yeah, so we encourage our listeners to make some pickles this week, and even if you don't, just do some googling on lacto fermentation and play around, experiment with different things.

So we would like to thank everybody for tuning in today and be sure to tune into the other shows on the SOTT radio network, tomorrow we have the Truth Perspective at 2pm eastern, and then on Sunday Behind the Headlines also at 2pm eastern and we would also like to encourage people to check out the documentary we were talking about today, "Burzynski: Cancer is Serious Business", which is available on YouTube so anybody can watch it, it's really fascinating and very enlightening so, thanks everybody.

Doug: And thanks to Elon.