© UnknownAl-Nakba,the catastrophe of the Palestinian people who were ethnically cleansed from their homes, lands, and villages by the Zionists before and after the creation of the State of Israel on May 15th 1948!
Last week, in the first programme of this series, viewers were invited to get to know me and how it was that I became aware of the difference between the lies and truth of history as it relates to the making and sustaining of conflict in and over Palestine.

My first guest is an Israeli who now lives in reluctant exile here in the UK. He is - Professor Ilan Pappe.

Professor Ilan Pappe is Israel's leading "new" or "revisionist" historian. The terms new and revisionist really mean "honest". The title of his latest book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, says everything about his integrity and commitment to the truth of history. As well as his passion for justice.

One of very many revelations in Ilan's latest book is in the form of a statement made by David Ben-Gurion, Israel's founding father, in a letter to his son. It was written in 1937. "The Arabs will have to go", Ben-Gurion wrote, "but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as war."

Like all Israelis, Ilan was brought up, conditioned, to believe Zionism's version of the history of the making and sustaining of the Arab-Israeli conflict. It wasn't until he went to England to continue his academic studies that he had access to documentation which enabled him to understand that Zionism's version is a propaganda lie.

For his books and his public speaking, Ilan is respected and admired by many people around the world with the exception, of course, of supporters of Israel right or wrong and Zionists in particular.

Video posted November 04, 2009

This evening we have the second part of my conversation with Professor Ilan Pappe, the truth-telling Israeli historian whose latest book is The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

In last week's programme, the first part of our conversation ended with a question from me. And we'll continue this evening with it.