Secret History
She claims she has carried out fresh textual analysis that suggests the writers of the great book never intended to suggest that God created the world -- and in fact the Earth was already there when he created humans and animals.
Prof Van Wolde, 54, who will present a thesis on the subject at Radboud University in The Netherlands where she studies, said she had re-analysed the original Hebrew text and placed it in the context of the Bible as a whole, and in the context of other creation stories from ancient Mesopotamia.
She said she eventually concluded the Hebrew verb "bara", which is used in the first sentence of the book of Genesis, does not mean "to create" but to "spatially separate".
The first sentence should now read "in the beginning God separated the Heaven and the Earth"
According to Judeo-Christian tradition, God created the Earth out of nothing.
Prof Van Wolde, who once worked with the Italian academic and novelist Umberto Eco, said her new analysis showed that the beginning of the Bible was not the beginning of time, but the beginning of a narration.
She said: "It meant to say that God did create humans and animals, but not the Earth itself."
She writes in her thesis that the new translation fits in with ancient texts.
According to them there used to be an enormous body of water in which monsters were living, covered in darkness, she said.
She said technically "bara" does mean "create" but added: "Something was wrong with the verb.
"God was the subject (God created), followed by two or more objects. Why did God not create just one thing or animal, but always more?"
She concluded that God did not create, he separated: the Earth from the Heaven, the land from the sea, the sea monsters from the birds and the swarming at the ground.
"There was already water," she said.
"There were sea monsters. God did create some things, but not the Heaven and Earth. The usual idea of creating-out-of-nothing, creatio ex nihilo, is a big misunderstanding."
God came later and made the earth livable, separating the water from the land and brought light into the darkness.
She said she hoped that her conclusions would spark "a robust debate", since her finds are not only new, but would also touch the hearts of many religious people.
She said: "Maybe I am even hurting myself. I consider myself to be religious and the Creator used to be very special, as a notion of trust. I want to keep that trust."
A spokesman for the Radboud University said: "The new interpretation is a complete shake up of the story of the Creation as we know it."
Prof Van Wolde added: "The traditional view of God the Creator is untenable now."
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Psalm 82 shows us that one has to die to become a god. God David is saying that supposedly thru A'-saph. Thus the Jews shows us that men are gods. The Romans take things even farther though. Jesus said only one is our master. Our god. Our father who art in heaven. By father he meant master as our ruler. Lords were rulers as you know. And he was the Lord. Another way the Romans show that you have to die tobecome a god is in the term the holy ghost. A ghost is the spirit of one who once lived . So in their case it was their caesars. Thus we now are shown why their god had many names. More proof that men were gods are in the fact that there was many sons of god. David the demon-god for one. The Jews god. Don't forget the Romans even had sons of their god Zeus as well. It was your deeds that made you a god in ancient times. Like Atilia the Hun. Conquering all before you. Thus in modern times the church made the Pope god and government made O'Bama god. All of this proves that the creator is not man's god. Only devils who seek to be our master here in Hell is man's gods. They make theirselves out as gods here in Hell. Jesus made out As the one he called god our father who art in heaven. Not the caesars as the Romans did but another. He showed us that the Jews never followed the laws given to them by the laws of Moses for they served another god. The Romans he showed to be the deceiver that we should beware of. Thus showing that he might have not had a man for a god . Earier religions worshipped other things. The sun and moon for a couple. the Golden Bull was the god of the Jews in the time of Moses the bible shows. That's why they built a statue of a golden bull after leaveing Egypt. Many religions turned into one the Romans deceived us with. The earlier religion was the Moon god. Age was told by how many full moons one lived by. That's how Methusiah becacame the oldest man to have ever lived. He lived by the full moon and not the year. And werewolfs were not a thing of fiction. At one time people drank the blood of their enemy to gain their prowess, wisdom, or whatever. They were werewolfs as such. If you read your bible you'll find Jesus made zombies. He raised the dead. Their skin still rotted though. They stunk to high heaven. It was the romans who gave Jesus a new body. A Roman body with a Roman face.
Older texts shows that there was no Earth. The Earth was called Hell back then. You know the place where Lucifer was cast to from the heavens. Thus any statement that God created the Earth is a lie. Hell was here before the Earth was. Man created the Earth by renameing Hell the Earth. He also rewrote what he was. At one time he was a demon. He changed what he was to a human though. Man changes everything. Always has and always will.
In the beginning Hell was created. There was no broken plates in it's crust. There was super volcanoes though. Ancients picked the snake to represent Satan for reptiles ruled in Hell. The Great Behemoth. Science tells us of small shifts in the Earth's crust but in the past there was gigantic one's. Much of the U.S. was under water at one time. Suddenly it was above water and dry land. The continents didn't just drift apart. The crust was torn apart. It didn't just drift apart like it does now. Like modern man the ancients recognized that this world had changed. Thus they tried to describe ithe changes in the bible. The Great Flood for instance. Life has adapted to darkness in some places we know. Blind fish for example as well as deep sea creatures which live at the vents of volcanoes which give off life. This shows that there was shifts in the plates so bad that all life was wiped out on the surface. With only life surviveing beneath the surface. Man renamed Hell and called it the Earth.It will once again be Hell though. When the plates have a massive move again all of man's atomic waste and germ warfare weapons will cover the world and end all life on it forever. Then the only life will be life in Hell.
....with Ancient Sumerian text ~ wherein ~ the whole babylonian construct of this matrix ( & our present 'civilization') is found. It is no wonder that when the Septuagint spread across Alexander's legacy of a Greek speaking World, Christianity took hold.....therein these translated Hebrew text & borrowed memories of "now" then forgotten Babylonian & Egyptians lore encoded in the "new" bible made perfect sense to old hand me down myths of Gilgamesh, the E.din, Akhenaten, Hammurabi etc etc.......among a WIDE range of peoples from India to Greece down the Nile.
Truly the Buddha was wise in one his unanswered 14 questions was that of the "creator"...instead he offered a means of liberation from suffering and ties in superbly with "new age" theory of light-beings becoming engrossed in matter. In The Diamond Sutra ~ he discusses sub-atomic particles & intra-dimensional logic only now appreciated with the advances of quantum theory.
This "FITS" wonderfully with the other anomalies in the Pentateuch of the numerous references of "Sons of God", matings between the heavenly host & humans, Giants....etc etc.......very different is the false Gods here (one of rival Entities ~ like in the Babylonian Epics )as oppose to the time of the Christ whereby Christ's false gods are evident of the TECHNOLOGY of Ancient Alexandra used to fool the dimwitted via magnets, steam etc etc as seen by how close Alexandra was to us....if not for the Roman Barbaric Slave machine that trampled on it and Ceasar's burning of the Great Library ~ the battle at Actium certainly plunged humanity backwards only to be confronted by DEBT slavery (a device of these same Babylonians principals )in today's Romanesque World that now once again is being re-invented.
In ancient Hinduism we get the Purusha ~ the First man...our sanskrit root for Perish ~ as Man 'dies' after being chased out of the Eden.......well.......so how do we find the absolute that empowered us with the greatest energy source known.....a soul that does not DIE but changes with each willful incarnation/transmutation......Maybe thats what these nasty Aliens are here to "harvest" for their nasty Trans~human monstrosities......
ps. notice how in the Old Testament ...the smell of BURNT offerings are always desired.....e.g Cain was thus punished for thinking a Vegetarian sacrifice.......
And now we watch the twin Cities of the plain fall.......Mystery Babylon & Babylon the Great.........my how history repeats itself.
The Lord is my shepherd it shows. In this case it was David that was the shepherd. Jesus said call no man master for only God is master. David's musicians all called him ,David, God though. But this psalm shows us the truth about something. Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. The lord's rod and staff and not our's. We are not allowed the rod and staff for we are sheep. We sheep were given a rule to live by. Thou shalt not kill. Thus any who carries a rod and a staff makes theirselves out the Lord God. The shepherd kills the wolves. Thus any sheep that kills or that blesses those that kills the Lord kills for they are wolves and not sheep. Proof that the church has always been of Satan. And I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever. In other words when that was said the musician showed that he lived in the palace of David's. The palace of the wolf who would be God. Thus we find that our leaders and their soldiers are wolves and not sheep. Are one's who makes theirselves out as gods. Sheep do not do that. Wolves do. Thus to kill or to bless killers is a sin to the god of Jesus. An unpardonable one. For those who kills or blesses killers make theirselves out as God. Wolves kill. Sheep do not. Nor do sheep bless those who kill.
Sheep loves meat don't they lindee-lou. That makes carnivores. Like wolves. And that makes them not gentle creatures that are plant eaters but murderous demons that devour their prey. If you read your bible Matthew never showed Jesus filling the nets with fish. That came in later books. The Roman devils made that lie. If you read your bible you'll find he took those fisherman and made them fishers of men. Plus he put them to harvesting grains. Made them vegetarian. Had them harvesting grain even on Sunday. Something the church complained about. The church lies. Genesis for instance. Lies. Long before man judged time by days he judged by moons. Long before he judged age years he judged age by full moons. That's why early man lived so long of lives. Their lives was shorter but since the liars made out that they were aged in years when they were aged in full moons they appeared to live longer. They lived approximately 12.5 times shorter lives than they were claimed to have lived. Romans are lieing devils and knew about the water strider being able to walk on water thus they made out that Jesus could walk on water. If he could do that he never would have had to of traveled by ship like he did. The Romans made out that it should be said that the disciples stole the body of Christ because Judas stole it. Peter was the judas that betrayed Jesus and not Judas. That's why he lived in Rome with the Romans. They killed Judas for stealing the body of Christ from them. Jesus has returned to us. His body was found at the Joseph family burial site. The New Testament was written by the murderous devils who sought to conquer the world. The Romans. In John in the ressurrection Jesus was made out as naked because Judas stole the body of Jesus and with it his shroud thus leaveing nothing for a fake Roman Jesus to wear. Read your bible. See what it really says. 2 books with 2 angels Mary seeing. 2 others with 1 angel. Plus they couldn't decide whether or not she met them inside or outside the sepulchre. And once the 2 disciples was at the sepulchre before her. The Romans like the Jews were liars . Satans. Separate the lies from the truths if you want to follow Jesus. To do otherwise is to follow Satan. Thanks to the deceiver all men follow the deceiver. Follow Satan.
Oh my. Call the shepherds. They must not allow their sheep to graze on green pastures. So it is written. Moses and Peter both has shown us that they should feed on rotted meat. Not liveing plants. God has made rotted meat clean they show. But live plants are unclean because they live. The liveing must not be eaten. Only the dead and rotting can be eaten they have shown. So take those sheep out of the pastures and put them in cages with concrete floors and feed them rotted meat only. In Acts Peter was shown God had cleaned all meats and so he could eat them since they rot from death on. he never said he could eat plants because they live and get ate alive which is a no-no. No liveing thing could he eat as such. Only dead rotting things. He told Moses the same more or less. Started them eating meat when they used to eat plants. Plants are no-no's as such. Feed those sheep rotted meat. Spread the word God told Moses and Peter to eat meat and not plants. The liveing must not be eaten. Only the dead and rotting. So God has spoken according to Moses and Peter.
sheepdove, do you mean the meat?? or rotted apples? .... you know i read what you write and it's remarkable, but i wouldn't be talking with you had i not had my meats.... nor rub some others the "other way" h ihihi.
p.s. i really have it different (there must be some misinterpretation although i wouldn't want to paint you in the corner) re: meats but i promise i win all the other trophees. hugs
The bible is just an example of men changeing history. Adam was the first Jew. Not the first man. Eve was the second Jew and not the first woman. The story of Lillith proves that. Since she refused to be ruled by Adam she was not considered a woman or a Jew. She was a demon which is what men was called before Adam. Vegetarian. There was other people on the earth when Adam and Eve was there. Lillith didn't run off to die in solitude. Later the bible shows a young man leaveing his father and takeing a wife who is unrelated in a village. Not a Jew. One thing more people forget is that The Great Flood supposedly wiped out all but Noah and his people. Yet those few found others to mate with later on and kept the Jewish race going. In the early days people were vegetarians and the Jews like Peter left the god of Jesus because they hungered for meat. They left the god of Jesus long before they went to Egypt. That's why they were called lost sheep. Vegetarians saw the eating of meat as evil but meateaters saw it as good. Vegetarians ate living things. Meateaters ate dead things. Rotting things. Thus meateaters partaked of death while the vegetarians partaked of life. It was as simple as that. The demon was the lamb originally but meateaters turned him into a monster. The earth was Hell but it got renamed the Earth. A word for soil. Do you hear soil on other planets called by the name of the planet? No. Only here on the Earth is it referred to as earth. Consider Martian soil as the mars as such though And the soil of Venus as the venus. Man keeps changeing things is all the bible proves. When you do a family tree of the Jewish people don't forget to erase all Jews but those that was on the Ark from it. All the other Jews died. Thus the Jewish nation started with Noah. Not with a caveman named Adam.
Lindee-lou if ancient man was not a vegetarian there wouldn't have been a Garden of Eden. A place where he lived on fruits. Nor would Adam and Eve ate the apple. If they ate meat because they were meateaters they would have ate the serpent in the Garden of Eden instead of the apple. Thus there would have been no more Satan. Furthermore first man and first woman wouldn't have had speech or have been able to record history for the further thus no one would have any way of knowing that they were cast out of the Garden of Eden. Nor do clouds or serpents talk. Adam and Eve woud have just grunted all of the time. The fact that the Jews murdered the prophet Moses shows they are liars and devils. The fact the Romans murdered Jesus showed that they are liars as well. Believe Jesus. He was murdered because he led the people away from them. Not too them. Don't believe the lies that they make him out as saying. The church is the deceiver that makes itself out as Jesus thru it's lies. Believe it's lies and you make it Jesus. A man who says sell all that you have and follow me after giveing it to the poor isn't going to say pay your ties, taxes, or tributes. Those are things of man given to men who make theirselves out as gods. Man-gods which you follow the doctrines of. Not the god of Jesus. The god of Jesus was not men. The gods of the Jews and Romans were. With man-gods you can kill but with the god of Moses and Jesus you can't. Thus you can't eat meat. To eat meat you or someone has to kill. With plants you don't. Thus meat had been considered as unclean in the time of Jesus. Jesus had been referred to at one time as the sun in the bible. And at one time the worship of the sun was practiced. So since the sun gives life as the god of Jesus did it would seen a sun god would likewise do the same. If the earth broke away from the sun it was believed by the ancients the our father who art in heaven would apply. With the sun there is life. Without it there is none. I really don't know who the god of Jesus was but it wasn't the same as the Romans and Jews make out. Their gods was men and before that animals. The Jews left the god of Jesus long before their captivity in Egypt. Because they became meateaters. Persians and the such I believe still were vegetarians as was early Egypt. The harvest of the grain was the most important thing of all to them. The bible shows how important it was in Egypt. Jesus made the fishermen fishers of men and harvesters of grain.. They even harvested grain on Sunday which showed how important it was to them. The Sabbath Day was made a mockery of by Jesus for it was a ritual created by man and not his god. Thus a man was allowed to work on Sunday he showed. He spoke about how man followed his rituals with zeal and then cursed them to Hell. Man-made rituals. Such as the baptism in water. Either Jesus or the Romans said you don't have to be baptized in water but you do have to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. Study your bible and you will find the church and government both were his enemies. They both tried to make our otherwise when the New Testament was written though. when you read your bible read it with open eyes and a open mind so you can see the lies as what they are. Lies.The church always conspired to kill Jesus and the Romans did. That's true worship of a son of a god. He was against taxes and ties he showed when he cursed the lawyers and scribes who takes the possessions from old women. When you read read with the brain God gave you in full gear. Separate the lies from the truth.
There is mistranlations in the bible but most of them was made on purpose. For instance Jesus was called the son of God. Originally though he was the sun of God. The light of God. Originally he was the prophet of the Jews but he was made out as the king of the Jews. He had been called the sun in the bible, meaning light, because he gave the people the word of God. He had been called the king of the Jews because the Jews made him out as the son of their god David since they mistook sun as to being son. When taken before his Roman judges they kept asking him are you the son of God and the king of the Jews. He said you say I am. Not I am. He showed that he was a prophet in the bible. He also showed that he was not a Jew. He was sent to return the lost tribe of Israel to his god. Therefore proveing that he was not a Jew. Those that he converted the church of Israel killed. Those that lived after his death sold their souls to Satan he showed. Another prophet at a later date had to sell his soul to survive as well. He sold it to the church. Feared it. Feared for his life. His name was Nostradamus. Jesus was against all in authority. Both church and government. They made theirself out as gods is why. He said only one is God. Our father which art in heaven. Thus they killed him. Thus one was not told by him to pay ties, taxes, or tribute. To do so is recognizeing them as gods. Thus he said sell all that you have, give the money to the poor, and follow me. As he said the poor will always be with us. He sought to guarantee that. If you sell all you have and forsake the things of man you join the ranks of the poor. Unless you cann do that you cannot get to heaven he said. Thus heaven will remain empty for no one can do that and so all will fuel the eternal fires of Hell.
sheesh sheepdove thanks :-) i get all that, without even having to reread, i really do - lack of dignity is rampant, personally drives me bonkers! Its just the meat bit ... ;-) ...didn't mean mistranslations caude they are so frequent (i speak 4 tongues so i know rather misinterpretation or misadjustment to the life of our times maybe.... ? i mean like how in the he_ _ can one stand straight + tall in this battle of nikkenpoops that we are serving in?? (honestly without meat i couldn't do it and i know my role is purposeful so "not" being here ain't an option hugs
By the way lindee-lou When you think of what you're reading in the bible think like a person in that time time would have though. Oh they're building the tower of babel. Trying to get to Heaven. Simple minds have simple thoughts. That shows you how close they considered Heaven to be. They didn't realize how far away the sun and the moon was. Nor the stars. They actually thought they could reach it. Thus their Heaven they thought was in our atmosphere and not way out in outer space. They actually thought it reachable. That was some of those mentioned in the bible. Some not mentioned might have known better than that. They didn't all think alike. After all they didn't all build great pyramids. Different folks with different strokes. As different from each other as bushmen of Australia and college professors of Australia. People are different everywhere you look. Even in the bible. Thus some of them probably actually did believe they could reach out and touch the face of God if they could get high enough. Sun worshippers for instance. To them that sun looked awfully close. Look at the sun. Does it look all that big or far away? No. Looks can deceive though. And it did deceive a lot of the ancients. Made them want to reach out and touch it. Thus they tried to build a tower to get to it maybe. I really don't want to know the truth myself but my subconsious does it appears. So I get it forced on me. One is probably better off not knowing it though.
sheepdove you have a sharp mind, as do i :-) ... i'll share what i just re-got (for me) in a nutshell ;-) . .. striving to be vs being humble. thank you for helping me remember with your road signs, and yes to truth! hugs ll
(now eat your veggies sheepdove + 2 fruits/day, you choose the size :-)
are really the same everywhere sheepdove. you know one, you know them all. personalities is where we differand yes from within are bred the lies. ...btw you must really like the pumas. hugs
Lindee-lou we really need to have better schools. People who go to them don't learn anything. They end up dumb animals. For instance they don't know what sheep eat or what a shepherd does. The Lord is my shepherd the Lord's Prayer says. They call him the shepherd but doesn't even know what he does. What does a shepherd do? He tends the flock of sheep. Protect them from the wolves. What does sheep eat? They graze on plants. Like Jesus they are vegetarian. They don't realize that a sheep or if you prefer a lamb doesn't eat meat. Only wolves in sheep's clothing that prey on the sheep does. Sheep are vegetarian whereas wolves are meateaters. THE CHURCH OF MAN IS FULL OF WOLVES. I dare you to fine a vegetarian in the church of man. Jesus said we have to have our temple which is our body clean to go to Heaven. Inside. In otherwords he wasn't talking about batheing every day. He brought up the washing of feet of others. The feet usually get the worse off if you walk long distances. Thus they need cleaned the worse. Thus he said feet. Father being precious in the area he was in they didn't go for batheing every day. THe bible does show that meat was unclean thus it made the temple unclean. Thus Peter never ate it until Jesus died. Smell a corpse. It's flesh rotting. Now that's clean isn't it. The way people eats meat it would seem to think it is. But it's not. Anything rotting is unclean. Even vegetables and fruits once they start rotting. That's why people cuts the bad part off that have started rotting. That part rotts because it is dead. So they remove it. Plants they eat before they die. You don't see them eat meat that way though. They only eat meat once it is dead and rotting. That's what made the eating of meat unclean. Eat a animal with it alive and you're not eating something unclean. If you think eating meat isn't unclean let the red meat become black all of the time before you eat it. There's no such thing as fresh though with meats. They start to rot right away at death. Try eating a rotten egg. That is classified as meat of a sort. Unclean. So you say it is a liquid. It is the early form of the flesh. Thus it is still meat. It is as clean as any meat that is eaten by anyone since meat starts rotting immediately upon death. Fruits and vegetables can be kept fresh for a time after harvesting them though. A lot of them will continue to ripen after being picked. Meat ripens in a entirely different way though. it starts rotting right off. NOW THAT'S RIPE. Over ripe actually. The time is going to come when the shepherd is going to get rid of all of the wolves in sheep's clothing. That a part of his job. I'll be dead long before that time comes but my children won't be. People need to go back to school and learn what a shepherd does and what sheep eats. If God is the shepherd then the church isn't. Nor is anyone within the church. If they claim to be shepherds they claim to be God. As it was the Lord is my shepherd. Not man or his church. But I guess that is irrevelant to meateaters like us. Since we eat meat that makes us wolves. We can feel free to attend church service as such for it is naught but a wolves den where wolves like us gather. I'm too old to go back to school and study so as to learn about sheep and shepherds so there's no hope for me. You're probably young enough to do so though. If you can keep the guys from distracting you from your studies that is. Good luck if you do seek to learn about them. I might just join that wolf pack once again in the wolves den and start howling at the moon with them once more. At least I'm not alone then. I'm part of something. Something else people needs to learn is that statues isn't the only things that are graven images. Pictures are too. Sheesh there's just too much for me to learn in school like that isn't there? It's way above my head so I'll leave it to the younger generation such as you. Good luck.
hey sheepdove.... i'm with you on the subject. i know what you write is right :-) and i really enjoy kfc too :-) as yet i can't stay strong without meat and know for a tad bit more i shall continue could very well be just a tad bit, we shall see, i'm open. could the key be all in the "timing" for each lamb since our creator don't wear no wristwatch ?? (i do appreciate your dedication sheedove
no coincidence sheepdove your title was ...wolves... and your first phrase was about no learning in schools. .... to the native peoples the wolf is the teacher, ... only ours are mindless except for a couple. our planet will look like a much different home within the next 7 years. hugs
;-) sheepdove. man is lazy son-of-a-b..... ! ..no need to fret over me sheepdove, you'vw had it easy ;-) me's been going round+round+round in the meatgrinder all me young life... and me's just a gentle sweet pea :-) .. just don't go a-tellin bentpen that though ;-) btw all carnivores attack their plant-eating-prays (what a choice of word eh?) ... in the gut first so as to eat the plant yummies first. hugs
to see the lunatics have finally found each other. Off em before they can breed. It's horrifying to imagine how their spawn would turn out.
bentp, before understanding any story you,ll have to actually make it past the 1st paragraph. now hush your mean streak and take a walk and breathe deep little one. hugs
SDove, no wonder they always made me it it itch!! now i know!! ... yes i follow your meanings, you are profound, very rare are those who dive deep :-) .... yakking infront of a restaurant yesterday 2 brothers walked in. my eyes got real big :-) ... to the 2nd i just had to say "ah que vous êtes beau!!" ..... he looked like the perfect shepherd out of a children's story. beard, hair, stroll - it was lovely, i thought ...sheepdove.
oh... and you were right with me and probably correct with assuming bentp is a schoolgirl still. hugs p.s. grandmothers don't itch over the "youngins" you know she may learn some if she keeps reading us with such a drive.... and of course i know you couldn't have had it easy SDove i was merelymerrily-competing with ya. double-hugs
SDove, i'm a lutheran so me's got the 'protesting' downpat ;-) when me was a little girl i loved the bible but couldn't get one nor could i go to church but i've always had just enough spunk to honour my 'maker' regardless. i have fought long + hard but my innocence has remained intact regardless of me gray hairs. it would be fair to say my innocence is dressed up in mindfulness :-) and no i wouldn't share this with me folks cause ... they're amongst the deadbeats. (the 4 of spades is not a cloverleaf) - i'm not here to judge, and i've generously share how to use the fishing rod, but i can see, i always could see. i remember back when i was 2+ and at 6+ i saw the 'big ones' didn't see so i continued to see and stayed a child and learned to use them tools. i've always let our father guide me on this walk on our mother that i have chosen. yay for me i say!! :-) hugs
but maturity counts SDove. 4Agreements is a great book, if only for the 4 laws to respect. SDove, 1 is not to suppose ;-) (you see we all have more to learn, and i am grateful for learning new stuff thru you, even if the 'meatlessness' gives me the shivers, still; i remain open to a menu-adjustment-probability. i agree with you, i taught my boy all along, when you know better you do better; no more excuses. btw in german there is a saying, translated, one can grow old as a cow, one continues on the learning path. my pa had another one.... humans are born dumb and most don't add any learning to that. SDove learning does not spoil innocence, meanness does; don't stop. hugs ll
Daktari was on when i was a youngin' :-) SDove follow where your heart is filled with peace. people can betray us but our guts never will. inspiration comes from the gut but is not ours, we must share. impeccable speech is Agreement #2 ;-) you're not teaching, you share. hugs p.s. we needn't sweat the small shit like bentp
wouldn't another word fit better SDove? me caught a snag with that choic but i'm cool with all else. tks for sharing, i learnt something about déjà-vu. i have heard how visions are tough on kids. hey you know that beau shepherd of mine yesterday? well he looked just like captain sanders of kfc :-) hugs
... oh no i apologize, got the colonel all wrong, my shepherd had LONG hair and beard.... just the colour was the same and me dude looked so serene.... see don't eat kfc all that mucho. hugs
got all that again SDove :-) ... meditating on the 'instinct word' still though. freewill is in there as well (the ingrediant only the mature cook with ....and i shall get back to ya. i'm tracking for a word a tad more 'negative' if you will than 'instinct. bentpen feel free to contribute if you so desire, or anyone elles. hugs
yes!! i got it i got it SDove :-) ... 'impulse' is the word we were looking for; yes! me won the quarter SDove. the light went on ;-) .. wonder if bp saw it too?! ahh!! hugs
p.s. 'instinct' is a whole other ball game... and freewill must take impulse by the hand for a walk in the fresh air so to show respect to / honour our creator. fine finish, eh? again hugs ll
no no no no no SDove, you haven't finished your homework and me wins me quarter :-) i see no one has joined to give you a hand. oh well impluse and instinct are worlds apart. instinct is a state of action of creation, whereas impulse is reactive therefore mindless. only one leads to compulsion and the nasty "d" thing. some of us take (free will) if just a a whisp of a moment before wopping therefore there is no space for the "d"... practice makes perfect the german say. hugs (nice to win
SDove i didn't say instinct is freewill, far from it. freewill is a muscle kindof, that needs exercising in every human. when one "takes" a moment to reflect, to choose, freewill is on-board leaving no room for impulsiveness, therefore being mindfull therefore leaving no room for the "d". instinct is action for healthy survival in a nutshell, for all creatures big + small. and then there is intuition. hugs ($0.25
Si i know mediocre man and "d" don't allow for freewill however there are good men and i consciously make use of my freewill way lots. i also die everyday, trust me, like most and offer my pieces willingly. i get what you write SDove, i'm only saying what you mean by 'instinct' is actually 'impulse' ... no other complaints in the department :-) (impulse is reactive, instinct holds an 'acting' intention.)
now the child that i am plays, rocks, learns, and amongst other things marvels at our paradise here on our home. i give it me best to lighten the heavy hell aspects of our life here (which is my cross that me carries like a lady) and i forever continue to have + to express my faith in our creator. it's simple, really. hugs (25
SDove i'm not one to build treasures here on earth i gratefully hold space for our creator's divine plan whilst i live + learn + get smacked by the ignorant man. i have been planting trees for many years even by our freeway and its all cool even if not all trees make it..... they don't belong to me nothing does but to use that which lives in my heart. hugs p.s. and thanks to you SDo e i now know there will be a time for meatlessness.
i'd do my best, basta. in man's law, my companion maybe would but not by creator's law SDove, and yet again, maybe it was my time to go. i just don't worry, i am a child,, and my life doesn't belong to me only what i do with it while i am here. anyways, i bet you a quarter i'd kick his ass first.
SDove we'll make sott dizzy if we don't agree soon. i say you describe and explain the word "impulsion" fantastically.
my instincts remind me to live + play like a child; not intelligence, not freewill, not impulse, intuition, nor intention. it is my natural gut-felt instincts, just like crying when i get over-whelmed. does that not make sense? hugs ll
turtles when they hatch they scamper to the water SDove and years later return. salmon instinctively swim upstream to the source to spawn and die. not all creatures are predators. by playing i mean how i navigate thru life, honouring remembering my innocence as a child naturally lovingly acts, without of course forgetting my "maturity" for lack of a better word right now but which naturally includes my conscience and consciousness.
we just don't agree on 1 word or rather the spelling of it, its ok. hugs






You can't go by what the bible says on creation because it is a compilation of stories of many gods. Not just one. If you recall though Satan was cast out of the heavens. To what was at the time a place called Hell. The Earth. Where a god supposedly created man from the earth so that he wouldn't be alone. Created Adam. Earlier writings show that he created Lillith for a helpmate for Adam but she left him because she refused to be ruled by him. Thus that god created Eve to replace her. Lillith was called a demon thereby proveing that Adam was also a demon and thus also the later created Eve. They were rewrote though as to who their creator was the fact that they were created to keep Satan company though. Their creator had to be Satan as such. Satan was a snake in the Garden of Eden it shows. Thus it shows the Garden of Eden was in Hell since he was cast out of the heavens to Hell. God was supposedly a cloud which spoke to them. A symbol used to show he was in the heavens and not in Hell. Also showing that rain from clouds had a part in the creation of man. They didn't write anything back then that was specific for they didn't have the answers. Thus everything kept being rewrote. At that time they made their god out as a cloud. Later as the sun and the moon even. Kept him as one thing or another. Finally they made him as all of those things. Made him out as haveing many names. Rewrites showing many gods to be one. Worse of all they kept includeing demon-gods in the ranks of those they called god.David for instance. He is the god of the Jews in Psalm 82 and the one god to the Jews when they call Jesus the son of David. That geneiality crock was written to hide that fact later on. They called Jesus the son of god. The son of David. Their god and David was one and the same is why.