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Good for the goose, good for the gander... Lets reverse the roles and and see how the "ethicists" like this statement.
English parents should be allowed to kill medical ethicists from Oxford university as they are "morally irrelevant" and killing one is no different than killing a cockroach.
This sounds terrible I know but they are talking about killing babies!
But I think your option would be better for the society at large. Isn`t it then morally right?
I think you've got a point there. When does it become murder?
"moral right to life"
I say, better no morality, than owning totally f***ed up one.
...and it is the face of a university professor!
This is just a popular article about their paper and the fuss it caused.
But I am assuming that the broad points are accurately reported.
Firstly: These "ethicists" are operating on data that I believe to be incomplete.
The data I have is that a change takes place somewhere around the time of birth. The being takes control of the body at about this time. The body is being run by another being. And that being does not leave. But they enter into a cooperative (we hope) activity, where the higher being gets the upper hand in the alert state and the body being ("genetic entity") takes over at times when the other gets overwhelmed (passes out or similar).
So, technically, the baby is on a par with other animals (though some animals may be motivated by higher beings as well) until about the time of birth when it becomes "human" (we hope).
Based on this data, I consider their argument fallacious. Birth is the turning point for that baby. It becomes a "human being" more or less exactly at that time.
That said, I don't know what to say about abortion.
Abortion kills a living organism. What killing a living organism does is violently separate the genetic entity from its physical body. The genetic entity goes off to find two of its species copulating; it never really thinks, talks, loves or hates the way higher beings do.
Killing of food plants and prey is part of the game of life. As unpleasant as it can be mocked up to be, if killing ends, living - as we know it - ends, too. So you have to draw the line somewhere.
The fact that one of these professors equated a tolerance of abortion to liberalism is telling. I really don't know what they have to do with each other. Liberalism is mostly about how adults treat each other. It does not deal so well with babies and children because it is just plain ignorant in those areas.
Real liberalism is higher-toned than real conservatism, and I subscribe to it. But it has to be honest and it has to be well-informed. These "liberal" professors are being neither. And that could be said for a lot of other "liberals" too.
In the end, it all comes down to gaining knowledge and using it for good. That is the way out of any predicament.
And many of us today find ourselves in plenty of predicaments. It is tempting to resort to superficial logic, debate, story telling, or brute force to get out of these predicaments. But none of those will work. We simply have more to learn.
Where did you get that information about birth?
"I consider their argument fallacious. Birth is the turning point for that baby. It becomes a 'human being' more or less exactly at that time."
Your own argument is fallacious and backed up by absolutely nothing but your own uninformed, unscientific opinion. While it is not a crime, it is clear that you have no idea about when a baby still in utero becomes a human being. What is your litmus test and upon what authority do you administer it?
A baby's DNA signature is created at the moment of conception, ergo...
While certain faculties may not be fully operational in a baby, they are present even if latent. What if an old person loses the use of various faculties that are latent in babies? Are we to conclude said person is no longer a human being? May we kill them?
The truth is: the very best abortion advocates can argue is that they have absolutely no idea when a baby that is still in utero becomes a person. As such, the only sane course is to take the safer course because, even by their own admission, they have absolutely no idea whether or not an abortion kills a human being -- i.e., they are bound by their own principles to admit that every single abortion may very well be murder. They will say it is not, but they have absolutely no means of proving their position. People seem to think the burden of proof is on those who oppose abortion; nothing could be further from the truth. No one has to definitively prove abortion IS murder; those who are in favor of it must prove, beyond all possible shadow of a doubt, that it is NOT murder. So far, there has been no cogent argument to that effect -- nor will there ever be.
Yes, it is a touchy subject and I know there are intelligent people of goodwill on both sides of the fence, but the foregoing argument is unassailable.
From the moment we are conceived,(the foundation upon which all else develops) we start gathering information about our environment, (e.g. our mother to whom we are so intimatly connected) including her emotional states. As you are aware when we feel something we feel it with every cell in our body. (So feeling/sensing is innate in every living cell on the planet).
At around 18 weeks (possibly sooner) we become "aware" of something other than ourselves and an external world.
I have spoken to a few people who remember being in the womb.
What we are refering to is a developing human being and although we reach physical maturity fairly early in our lives, emotional maturity can take considerably longer. In fact some things dont become "clear" until we confront our own mortality which for most people is when we come close to death. So arguably we dont not stop developing in some way untill the day we die!
The only situation that should be called abortion is when it is spontaneous.
Everything else is the deliberate termination of life.
Before birth or after birth is irrelevant.
Every birth should be valued and loving homes should be found for the ones who, for whatever reason, cannot be cared for by their biological parents. Once upon a time this was true but we have had the insideous idea of the "Nuclear Family" introduced that has separated us from each other and helped to weaken our sense of community.
We waste unimaginable amounts of money and human effort on the military but when it comes to actually taking care of humans or substantially assisting people whose children are born with Downs Syndrome etc., so it does not create hardship for them, it is said to be a burdon on society.
There are some in this world who will do everything in their power to dehumanise us and get us to hate ourselves and each other.
If we listen to them we are lost.
Beautifully said. Hare Krishna
people stress so much importance to what "THEIR opinion is".... nonsense. who cares about someone's opinion... you are just a tiny soul with a tiny brain and a few random thoughts... compared to the cosmos and the world we live in, we r so very tiny... insignificant.. yet each one is thinking "I am the universe"...
No 2 people on this planet agree with each other on everything... so we cannot ever come to a conclusion like this... that is why we have to accept the scriptures because that is the word of God and we have to agree to what the creator/designer finally says.
you had me up until you suggested i take the word of a man in the sky as written by a bunch of dead men on earth as what to define as right
Be quiet, if society valued children it wouldn't waste them away with abusive parents or the public education system.