Zappa: The biggest threat to America today is not communism; it's moving America towards a fascist theocracy and everything that has happened during the Reagan administration. Is steering us right down that pipe.



John LOFTON (Washington Times): Our families are under attack from people like you with these lyrics.

Frank ZAPPA: Could I make a comment about National Defense: the biggest threat to America today is not communism. It's moving America toward a fascist theocracy. And everything that's happened under the Reagan Administration is steering us right down that pipe.

Robert NOVAK: Oh, mr Zappa...

ZAPPA: Yes, MISTER Zappa...

NOVAK: Do you really think...I mean...

ZAPPA: I really think!

NOVAK: All kidding aside. Is this country, with the permissiveness, that we are moving toward a fascist theocracy?

ZAPPA: You bet we are buddy.

NOVAK: Do you things that things like this would ever have happened...

ZAPPA: Give me that famous smile, buddy.

NOVAK: When we were twenty, when we were kids... you're about my age?

ZAPPA: I'm forty-five.

NOVAK: Well, I'm fifty-five. Do you think that when I was a kid that they would permit songs like that to be sold. I mean permissiveness is a game. I mean you're not really serious if you saying we're going toward a fasist theocracy.

ZAPPA: That's right we ARE!

Tom BRADEN: Wait a minute, give me one example of a fascist theocracy.

ZAPPA: When you have a government that prefers a certain moral code derived from a certain religion, and that moral code turns into legislation to suit one certain religious point of view, and if that code happens to be very very right wing, almost toward Atilla the Hun...

LOFTON: Well then you are an anarchist. Every form of civil government is based on some kind of morality Frank.

ZAPPA: Morality in terms of behavior, not in terms of theology!

LOFTON: well of course, but look, I mean, I couldn't believe in terms of your lyrics, I mean, uh....

NOVAK: Wait a minute gentlement, we have to take a break now.